I dont think the main gun needs a buff. The armor of the Churchill should come up and its health should come down. Swapping those around keeps the churchill from feeding LOADS of vet as it does now, while still being the support tank for fireflys. Another issue that is being addressed (but isnt touch the armor/hp issue) is the cost. In the current meta, the churchill is simply to expensive for how it preforms and for how long it takes to repair.
As such the tank should take less of a meatshield role and more of a "shoot at this cuz it can sometimes do damage and is good vs infantry" with all of its armor. It would promote flanking the slow tank and could be easy to flank and have low rear armor to combo it.
Churchill is garbage
23 May 2016, 18:22 PM
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23 May 2016, 18:27 PM
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The kv1 is a lot worst, it can only wish to be as rubbish as the churchill.
23 May 2016, 18:36 PM
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The kv1 is a lot worst, it can only wish to be as rubbish as the churchill.
That whole commander is rubbish after the triple nerfs it got.
23 May 2016, 18:52 PM
#44
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That whole commander is rubbish after the triple nerfs it got.
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23 May 2016, 20:14 PM
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Make it a Churchill Kangaroo guys. Then make it so you can reinforce out of it. Ultimate cheese.
23 May 2016, 23:18 PM
#46
Posts: 1930
Well 320 armor and 1280 hp not doctrinal for only 180 fuel would be spammed like no tomorrow (and in biased right ?)
really, there's one golden rule in this case: can the panther beat the churchill 1v1.
the panther should still be able to kill the churchill on a 1v1 basis, but it should take a long time.
23 May 2016, 23:50 PM
#47
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Vanilla churchill is just too slow to be of use, even with the cost reduction its still 490mp 160f for a slower bulky cromwell that can't scratch or chase axis tanks (add another 50 fuel to that for unlock).
Yes you have enough HP to drive forward and nibble a few volk models and throw a grenade, then you reach a Jagdpanzer/Command panther and you lose it trying to reverse with the god aweful speed and useless smoke.
However the AVRE and the Croc are actually useful as you can warspeed away after wiping weapons teams, then you have Comets/fireflies backing them up with fog of war tracking.
Churchill is just a meme tank, anvil is a meme choice until heavy sappers lose the speed debuff and royal arty actually becomes relevant.
Yes you have enough HP to drive forward and nibble a few volk models and throw a grenade, then you reach a Jagdpanzer/Command panther and you lose it trying to reverse with the god aweful speed and useless smoke.
However the AVRE and the Croc are actually useful as you can warspeed away after wiping weapons teams, then you have Comets/fireflies backing them up with fog of war tracking.
Churchill is just a meme tank, anvil is a meme choice until heavy sappers lose the speed debuff and royal arty actually becomes relevant.
24 May 2016, 07:24 AM
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I rember the video when the Churchill almost killed a tiger at close range 1 more shoot and it was dead
really, there's one golden rule in this case: can the panther beat the churchill 1v1.
the panther should still be able to kill the churchill on a 1v1 basis, but it should take a long time.
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24 May 2016, 08:03 AM
#49
Posts: 680
Lol,
The Churchill is so rubbish that someone has to bring up a time it almost won against something.
The Churchill is so rubbish that someone has to bring up a time it almost won against something.
24 May 2016, 08:10 AM
#50
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Lol,well it can beat a every not heavy tank easily I was just pointing out that even if it cost less it could almost beat a tiger that cost 1/3 more
The Churchill is so rubbish that someone has to bring up a time it almost won against something.
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24 May 2016, 08:17 AM
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It is meant to be a heavy tank yet has less armour than a light-medium with a single bulletin.
It is crap. Unused. A waste of space. Pointless. Inadequate. Useless. A waste of resources.
It is crap. Unused. A waste of space. Pointless. Inadequate. Useless. A waste of resources.
24 May 2016, 08:23 AM
#52
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It is meant to be a heavy tank yet has less armour than a light-medium with a single bulletin.
It is crap. Unused. A waste of space. Pointless. Inadequate. Useless. A waste of resources.
Hey smart ass if you would fucking look at my reply you would see that we were talking about the Churchill with 320 armor 1280 hp dat costs 160-180 fuel non doctrinal and not capped to 1, do you understand the implications ?
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24 May 2016, 08:27 AM
#53
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Hey smart ass if you would fucking look at my reply you would see that we were talking about the Churchill with 320 armor 1280 hp dat costs 160-180 fuel non doctrinal and not capped to 1, do you understand the implications ?
How would you make the churchill viable?
24 May 2016, 08:29 AM
#54
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240 armor 180 rear 1400 hp 160 fuel 490 mp if you want to spam rember the gun can still do this
How would you make the churchill viable?
or 320 armor 180 rear 1280 hp 180 fuel 560mp capped at 1 on the field
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24 May 2016, 08:40 AM
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I rember the video when the Churchill almost killed a tiger at close range 1 more shoot and it was dead
Too bad you don't remember it had 1600hp and 280 armor back then while Tiger had less pen.
And yeah, that is a 100% valid vid there, this is EXACTLY how we use tanks in game, we never use 45 range units at 45 range, because it makes no sense, we always use them at range of 2.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
24 May 2016, 08:43 AM
#56
Posts: 4474
well 320 1280 would be the same result and I said close range and by your logic the su , Jackson, and firefly are opop and for 1 time instead of pointing out every little thing the others says how about you give your opinion on my suggestion or make your own ?
Too bad you don't remember it had 1600hp and 280 armor back then while Tiger had less pen.
And yeah, that is a 100% valid vid there, this is EXACTLY how we use tanks in game.
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24 May 2016, 08:57 AM
#57
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well 320 1280 would be the same result and I said close range and by your logic the su , Jackson, and firefly are opop and for 1 time instead of pointing out every little thing the others says how about you give your opinion on my suggestion or make your own ?
Idiotic usage of a tiger tanks is not a good argument
24 May 2016, 08:58 AM
#58
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i was pointing out the potency of the gun
Idiotic usage of a tiger tanks is not a good argument
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24 May 2016, 09:01 AM
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Yeah. The potency drops with range.
24 May 2016, 09:02 AM
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Yeah. The potency drops with range.still quite potent for an anti infantry tank
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