Your opinion on the state of the 222
27 Oct 2015, 21:18 PM
#41
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Because this is COH2 where absolutely nothing is as good as it's predecessor. ALL HAIL vCOH.
27 Oct 2015, 21:21 PM
#42
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27 Oct 2015, 21:27 PM
#43
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It's simple, make it more resistant to small arms fire, even if a price increase calls for it.
27 Oct 2015, 21:47 PM
#44
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wtf nosli, everyone knows that you dont like coh2. Comparing PE 222and Wehr 222 is like comparing apples and oranges. 222 is absolutely fine in terms of performance. Could maybe cost still 20 fuel.
27 Oct 2015, 21:52 PM
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It doesn't really have a well-defined role. It's not particularly good at harassment, as it has low DPS, but it doesn't really cut it as a scout either, unless you get the doctrinal scope. All it does well is counter some other scout vehicles. Rarely do I build it.
27 Oct 2015, 23:24 PM
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27 Oct 2015, 23:52 PM
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It's simple, make it more resistant to small arms fire, even if a price increase calls for it.
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28 Oct 2015, 02:55 AM
#48
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wtf nosli, everyone knows that you dont like coh2. Comparing PE 222and Wehr 222 is like comparing apples and oranges. 222 is absolutely fine in terms of performance. Could maybe cost still 20 fuel.
That must be why I have over 600 hours of Coh2 and am top 100 with two factions in 1v1 and top 50 with several partners in 2v2? Kappa
I was simply pondering why in Coh 2 where most units lethality compared to Coh1 seems high, why the 222 got significanrly worse against infantry. Ruh dich aus alter
28 Oct 2015, 03:22 AM
#49
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222 is the mehest of the meh. Its not gonna counter an M20 if the latter is even merely decently microed and its anti-inf dps is too limited. It can be nice with vet and spotting scopes indeed but apart from that it has no place in the game, I rarely if ever buy it.
With that being said, I am not keen on the PE 222 either....
With that being said, I am not keen on the PE 222 either....
28 Oct 2015, 06:40 AM
#50
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It costs 15 fuel. It cant be like a Luchs.
28 Oct 2015, 06:52 AM
#51
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I would improve it and Give it a price of 30 Fuel.
28 Oct 2015, 06:54 AM
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Same gun as the Luchs, and nearly (just a different mount and barrel length) the same as the Sd Kfz 251/17 and base defense FlaK38. And all of them function a bit differently, some better than others.
By this definition then t 34 /85 shoud have the same range as su 85 - use same gun.
Then corcodile shoud do the same main gun damage as normal curchill - same gun.
Etc etc
28 Oct 2015, 07:08 AM
#53
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It kills infantry just fine. It's as good as any other scout car or jeep or whathaveyou.
It still has the little machine gun thingy it used to have by default, in addition to the upgun.
It still has the little machine gun thingy it used to have by default, in addition to the upgun.
28 Oct 2015, 11:24 AM
#54
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Completely counters: m3, m20, universal carrier. Can damage m5, m15, AEC. Its coaxial mg has the dps of an M3. Its autocannon is a threat to clumped infantry. What else could you ask for?
28 Oct 2015, 11:46 AM
#55
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Completely counters: m3, m20, universal carrier. Can damage m5, m15, AEC. Its coaxial mg has the dps of an M3. Its autocannon is a threat to clumped infantry. What else could you ask for?
Maybe you have no idea about this game.
NOT Completely counters: M3, M20 (Put a guards in M3, noobs can do that; Jump out of the M20 and shoot it)
Can damage m5, m15, AEC Suicidally.
Its coaxial mg does not have the dps of an M3.
Its autocannon is NOT a threat to clumped infantry, I can just blob right to it and heavily damage it just by blobbing and focusing fire.
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28 Oct 2015, 12:23 PM
#56
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Permanently BannedPeople comparing the m20 to a 222 seem to forget that the m20 comes with a vehicle crew that can instantly repair crits, has its own bazooka and can lay mines and has non doctrinal smoke 
Still I like the 222. It needs to be scaled down model wise and perhaps could do with a little increase in damage to infantry. Double 222 can rip apart infantry however.
Still I like the 222. It needs to be scaled down model wise and perhaps could do with a little increase in damage to infantry. Double 222 can rip apart infantry however.
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
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It feels handicapped from the start
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28 Oct 2015, 12:30 PM
#57
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IT keeps the m20 at bay in an engagement, isnt that enough for 15 fuel or do you expect it to win you the game?
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28 Oct 2015, 12:31 PM
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People comparing the m20 to a 222 seem to forget that the m20 comes with a vehicle crew that can instantly repair crits, has its own bazooka and can lay mines and has non doctrinal smoke
They also forget that it costs 50% more menpower and more fuel and is completely ineffective vs vehicles unless you expose that vehicle crew, completely stopping vehicle in place and exiting it.
Still I like the 222. It needs to be scaled down model wise and perhaps could do with a little increase in damage to infantry. Double 222 can rip apart infantry however.
Any improvement to its AI would have to be at the cost of its AT dps.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Oct 2015, 13:29 PM
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They also forget that it costs 50% more menpower and more fuel and is completely ineffective vs vehicles unless you expose that vehicle crew, completely stopping vehicle in place and exiting it.
Any improvement to its AI would have to be at the cost of its AT dps.
It has almost no AT dps, what do you want to decrease? Lol
Whenever I face USF as OKW, it feels like I have been strapped down into a mental hospital wheelchair, with legs that can't reach the floor to move myself forward and a nurse is trying to move the wheelchair backwards whilst I have to race a formula one car for a best of three laps.
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
It feels handicapped from the start
No thumbs, cute and a lot of furry fluffiness, I am the ultimate kitten and by the heavens, am I angry!
28 Oct 2015, 13:43 PM
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It has almost no AT dps, what do you want to decrease? Lol
It have enough AT dps to reliably penetrate vehicles that costs 4-5 times as much fuel.
It hardcounters effortlessly every single light that costs less then 50 fuel(short of upgraded M5).
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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