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30 Jul 2015, 14:06 PM
#1
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Now that the su-76 has proven itself as a competent light TD do you think it's barrage ability should cost munitions?
30 Jul 2015, 14:13 PM
#2
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i stole one once as OKW and it won me the game .
also SU needs an ammo sink.
30 Jul 2015, 14:39 PM
#3
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It's worse than the ZiS barrage, if it costs munitions it should be <= 30 or needs to be buffed.
30 Jul 2015, 20:18 PM
#4
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20-25 munitions would be perfect in my opinion.
31 Jul 2015, 11:53 AM
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I dont think its barrage should cost ammo, however i think when the tank got a HP buff it should of also received a small fuel cost increase like the StuG did.
31 Jul 2015, 12:11 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2015, 11:53 AMCorsin
I dont think its barrage should cost ammo, however i think when the tank got a HP buff it should of also received a small fuel cost increase like the StuG did.

It did got fuel cost increase.
31 Jul 2015, 12:17 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2015, 12:11 PMKatitof

It did got fuel cost increase.


Yeah of 5... not really enough for a buff of 80 hp and DOUBLE its penetration (to 180, which is 10 less than the current stug).

Especially now it arrives alot sooner.
31 Jul 2015, 12:23 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2015, 12:17 PMCorsin


Yeah of 5... not really enough for a buff of 80 hp and DOUBLE its penetration (to 180, which is 10 less than the current stug).

Especially now it arrives alot sooner.


Menpower cost also got a hefty increase.
It got double penetration, because it was a TD that couldn't fight tanks. Now it can.

StuG got more buffs with survivability and armor.
31 Jul 2015, 12:34 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2015, 12:23 PMKatitof


Menpower cost also got a hefty increase.
It got double penetration, because it was a TD that couldn't fight tanks. Now it can.

StuG got more buffs with survivability and armor.


They didn't touch it's armor; only it's health. It's still pretty thin.
31 Jul 2015, 12:37 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2015, 12:17 PMCorsin


Yeah of 5... not really enough for a buff of 80 hp and DOUBLE its penetration (to 180, which is 10 less than the current stug).

Especially now it arrives alot sooner.

It is quite pointless just to compare flat penetration values of two units from different factions because average armor values those units got to face is different for those factions.
31 Jul 2015, 12:39 PM
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They didn't touch it's armor; only it's health. It's still pretty thin.

True, point for you.

Though 140 armor still isn't really that thin for 80 long range pen of allied meds.
31 Jul 2015, 12:49 PM
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It is quite pointless just to compare flat penetration values of two units from different factions because average armor values those units got to face is different for those factions.


A StuG III is less likely to pen an IS2 than an SU-76 a King Tiger. A tad interesting that.

Though 140 armor still isn't really that thin for 80 long range pen of allied meds.


Since when does anyone sit in front of a StuG III to shoot at it's frontal armor unless they are using an AT gun or TD with superior range? Yes the StuG III can technically bounce frontal shots from the weakest cheapest mediums in the game but that's not a very ringing endorsement.
31 Jul 2015, 12:52 PM
#17
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It is quite pointless just to compare flat penetration values of two units from different factions because average armor values those units got to face is different for those factions.


Then the advantage is with the su76 the soviets tend to put more heavier armour on the field then the ostheer
31 Jul 2015, 12:52 PM
#18
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Sorry i made a mistake i said the Stug and 10 more AP it doesnt the SU76 has 10 more AP than the stug.
31 Jul 2015, 12:57 PM
#19
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A StuG III is less likely to pen an IS2 than an SU-76 a King Tiger. A tad interesting that.

The damage and durability difference makes up fully for it.
TWP is also a factor.

Since when does anyone sit in front of a StuG III to shoot at it's frontal armor unless they are using an AT gun or TD with superior range? Yes the StuG III can technically bounce frontal shots from the weakest cheapest mediums in the game but that's not a very ringing endorsement.


Since you don't command SC2 stalkers who can blink on your rear but tanks and not use maphack for all the games.
Since opponents don't drive their stugs rear first.
Since the stug isn't used as breakthrough unit and is actually kept in the back.

The scenarios you create are always hilarious, like 2 omnipotent and always aware of everything supercomputers that know everything about positioning of opponenets(or at least the attacking one) dishing it out against each other.
31 Jul 2015, 16:15 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Jul 2015, 12:52 PMZyllen


Then the advantage is with the su76 the soviets tend to put more heavier armour on the field then the ostheer

Agreed, Soviets put more heavier armour, because
T-34 have more armor than Pz.IV
T-34-85 > Pz.IV Ausf.J
KV-1 > Panther
SU-85 > JgPz.IV
ISU > Ele

And about 80 HP buff:
SU-76 surely doesn't need that buff, while StuG III definitely need 560 HP
because PTRS are better against StuG than Schreks aganst SU-76.
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