Why do some players commit suicide not going T3? They just wait for the call-ins and meanwhile you come back to win it... I think all the units in the soviet T3 are good. And the same can be said about german T3, havent used the ostwind that much though. But I think T3 is very strong with both factions, a must.
As example the T-85 comes at 9cps. I much rather have the T-34 at 3 or 4 cps.
Taking out a at-wall isnt that hard with either the P4 or the T-34. GG.
You will always want T3
13 May 2014, 21:00 PM
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13 May 2014, 21:04 PM
#2
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But then you get NO KAT! And they are OP! MVGame.
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
13 May 2014, 21:14 PM
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In this patch it makes sense if you skip t3 and wait for call ins as Soviet. Going t1 and t2 into t34/85s, IS2, ISU152, KV1s or KV2s works well if you have proper zis/guards and at nades support. As far as Germans are concerned, strats that go straight to t4/call ins are a mistake of the Soviet player imo. Germans can skip t3 if they have large map control for an extended period of time.
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13 May 2014, 21:34 PM
#4
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In this patch it makes sense if you skip t3 and wait for call ins as Soviet. Going t1 and t2 into t34/85s, IS2, ISU152, KV1s or KV2s works well if you have proper zis/guards and at nades support. As far as Germans are concerned, strats that go straight to t4/call ins are a mistake of the Soviet player imo. Germans can skip t3 if they have large map control for an extended period of time.
But, oh the damage I do with my T3. I much rather build T3 than float half of the game. I dont think its so good to float. With my T3 I can put a lot of vp-pressure on a player that waits for his call-ins. GG.
And as soviets I can have T3 and the is-2 or the isu-152 if I want. The other call-ins as soviets are just a tiny bit better than the T-34 so no need for them.
As germans the only time I think its worth waiting for the tiger without building T3 is when I already have won the game.
13 May 2014, 22:03 PM
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But, oh the damage I do with my T3. I much rather build T3 than float half of the game. I dont think its so good to float. With my T3 I can put a lot of vp-pressure on a player that waits for his call-ins. GG.
And as soviets I can have T3 and the is-2 or the isu-152 if I want. The other call-ins as soviets are just a tiny bit better than the T-34 so no need for them.
As germans the only time I think its worth waiting for the tiger without building T3 is when I already have won the game.
I don't see how you can float. If you have a combined arms of a few cons, penal or two, sniper(s), mgs , guards/shocks and at least 2 zis guns you are simply not going to float. If anything you are probably going to end up waiting to collect manpower for call ins. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying you should rarely go t3 as soviets; however, I disagree that it is a suicide as you put it previously. By not going t3 you keep your opponents guessing, especially if you didn't reveal your commander. Hence, I can see the viability of Soviet strats that skip t3.
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14 May 2014, 02:27 AM
#6
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Ostwind?
14 May 2014, 02:48 AM
#7
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Post patch, I always go T3 for both Germans and Soviets as well.
Then I get a Tiger for Germans and then either T-34/85 or Sherman.
The IS-2 isn't worth it anymore IMO.
Then I get a Tiger for Germans and then either T-34/85 or Sherman.
The IS-2 isn't worth it anymore IMO.
14 May 2014, 03:19 AM
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Why do some players commit suicide not going T3? They just wait for the call-ins and meanwhile you come back to win it... I think all the units in the soviet T3 are good. And the same can be said about german T3, havent used the ostwind that much though. But I think T3 is very strong with both factions, a must.
As example the T-85 comes at 9cps. I much rather have the T-34 at 3 or 4 cps.
Tell me how do you do that without Windustry?
but funny that in this patch, T34/76 do their job better than T34/85
For German,
(1) why do you need Ostwind while the cheaper StugG kill infantry faster than it?
(2) why do you need StugG while the more cheaper StugE kill infantry faster than a Tiger Ace?
(3) why do you need P4 while the Tiger rape things faster than two P4?
Conclusion, T3 is not needed if you get Assgren doctrine.
14 May 2014, 05:35 AM
#9
Posts: 231
Heavy tanks. Nothing in T3 can counter anything heavier than a P4, and ZiS aren't nearly as good as SU-85 or IS2 for reliable AT.
14 May 2014, 06:00 AM
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@Unshavenbackman
Fully agreed. At list for 2v2 and at list for german side, the best pattern is to actually build T3 and build some units from there untill you have Tigers. The Tiger is used extensively much more often like the Elefant, and the meta is going verry stupid or dull: soviets pushing you back all the game, and in the end 1, 2, 3 Tigers come and soviets cannot push them back. Now soviet fanboys will say Tiger is OP, but this ain't the problem. The problem is everything else is close to shit.
Fully agreed. At list for 2v2 and at list for german side, the best pattern is to actually build T3 and build some units from there untill you have Tigers. The Tiger is used extensively much more often like the Elefant, and the meta is going verry stupid or dull: soviets pushing you back all the game, and in the end 1, 2, 3 Tigers come and soviets cannot push them back. Now soviet fanboys will say Tiger is OP, but this ain't the problem. The problem is everything else is close to shit.
14 May 2014, 07:47 AM
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Tigers are totally manageable. With the right combination they are easy to manage, but certain soviet builds which can dominate early mid game simply fall flat on their face if a tiger comes out.
t1+2 is powerful as soviets, but yeah main problem then is manpower, not CPs.
t1+2 is powerful as soviets, but yeah main problem then is manpower, not CPs.
14 May 2014, 14:12 PM
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^
Tigers are less vulnerable to AT nades these days.
Tiger is the most OP unit the Germans have and make up for their disadvantages elsewhere.
I find double Shermans unsafe to use against a Tiger. They have good pen but their HP is too low for them to last very long.
I think it's still necessary to ambush Tigers with combined arms (zis, infantry, armor)
Tigers are less vulnerable to AT nades these days.
Tiger is the most OP unit the Germans have and make up for their disadvantages elsewhere.
I find double Shermans unsafe to use against a Tiger. They have good pen but their HP is too low for them to last very long.
I think it's still necessary to ambush Tigers with combined arms (zis, infantry, armor)
14 May 2014, 15:15 PM
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3 shermans easily kill a tiger. 2 T34/85s with mark target deal with it fine.
Manoeuvrable armour is my favoured way to tackle a tiger.
Manoeuvrable armour is my favoured way to tackle a tiger.
14 May 2014, 16:00 PM
#14
Posts: 978
Why would I skip German T3? The StuG is an insane infantry killer and the Panzer IV is okay. German T4 is shit. The Panther is an overpriced joke on tracks and the Panzerwerfer is as useful as the Katjuscha: And that´s borderline useless.
Readjust the Panther and I might consider going T4 as Germans.
Readjust the Panther and I might consider going T4 as Germans.
14 May 2014, 16:02 PM
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Agreed with Cardboard. T4 for Ost is not viable. Why hold out for overpriced tanks and a useless rocket truck when I can get everything I want in T3 and my doc?
14 May 2014, 16:40 PM
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Posts: 1571
The problem is the fact that the Tiger is usually not alone, and there will be grens/shrecks & maybe a pak around. Swarming a Tiger generally means that your tanks need to be able to absorb some fire while they're in flank range.
I do like using the T-34 horde though, but the Sherman's cost and low HP make it not worth it in my experience. Just using tanks alone is a riskier way than making a general push with combined arms.
I much prefer if the Tiger attacks first, and then I hit it with a counterstroke (t-34s/shermans, infantry, Zis).
I do like using the T-34 horde though, but the Sherman's cost and low HP make it not worth it in my experience. Just using tanks alone is a riskier way than making a general push with combined arms.
I much prefer if the Tiger attacks first, and then I hit it with a counterstroke (t-34s/shermans, infantry, Zis).
3 shermans easily kill a tiger. 2 T34/85s with mark target deal with it fine.
Manoeuvrable armour is my favoured way to tackle a tiger.
14 May 2014, 16:51 PM
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Why do some players commit suicide not going T3? They just wait for the call-ins and meanwhile you come back to win it... I think all the units in the soviet T3 are good. And the same can be said about german T3, havent used the ostwind that much though. But I think T3 is very strong with both factions, a must.
As example the T-85 comes at 9cps. I much rather have the T-34 at 3 or 4 cps.
Taking out a at-wall isnt that hard with either the P4 or the T-34. GG.
T34 at 4CP ? Unless you are mostly not fighting i expect at least for it to appear at 5-6CPs, the time i get a PUMA.
Thing is, theres less reason to spend so much fuel + MP to get T4 as german rather than going all in T1+T2 callin or just have some T3 tanks around and then go for any doctrinal tank.
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And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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14 May 2014, 17:24 PM
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Why do some players commit suicide not going T3?
Because very often (too often?), it actually works. It's a high risk, high reward gamble.
Not sure if this is a pride post along the lines of "I can beat the current meta", or if you can actually back up your claims.
If anything, the general consensus seems to be that skipping T3/T4 is too rewarding. I don't have the data to prove it, but from experience it certainly feels that way.
14 May 2014, 17:31 PM
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120 fuel (the cost of soviet T3) is a lot. It's a whole tank. Usually that's something like 4-6 minutes worth of fuel. When the IS-2 and 34/85s out perform T34s as much as they do, it's not always worth going T3 for the halftrack.
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The German oil scarcity, rare tanks cannot fight the Allied torrent. Kill the house to kill the German oil.
Every time lose may feel bad. Probably not the word lose your subconscious. Maybe I win you Not for the first time Maybe you you should go to recall,
14 May 2014, 17:47 PM
#20
Posts: 28
From the beginning of my playtime, I've always tried Tier 3 soviet and it always wrinkles my sprinkles.
T34 is arse when you aren't already ahead of the German Tier 3. It feels like a landslide dependent tier. If you aren't riding the landslide it will suck butts, if you *are* riding the landslide, it will too and seem "ok".
German Tier 3 is great. It does everything so well that I don't NEED tier 4. Stugs in particular are being awesome because so many seem to go T3 this patch with soviets... Stugs eat that up in my experience with them.
T34 is arse when you aren't already ahead of the German Tier 3. It feels like a landslide dependent tier. If you aren't riding the landslide it will suck butts, if you *are* riding the landslide, it will too and seem "ok".
German Tier 3 is great. It does everything so well that I don't NEED tier 4. Stugs in particular are being awesome because so many seem to go T3 this patch with soviets... Stugs eat that up in my experience with them.
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