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sevenfour
25 Mar 2014, 19:08 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 18:57 PMCapacity_gear



Kar is an abbreviation of 'Karabiner' which is german for carbine, and a carbine is a shorter barrel (usually heavier barrel) than its full length counter part.
So the Kar98 is a carbine.
The kar98K is a shorter version of that carbine ( the 'K' standing for kurz, which is 'short' in german )



That is my understanding as well (based on wiki :P ) ...which is the reason why I am confused about the weapon profiles in the patchnotes, i.e. G43 (being a longer rifle afaik) having a carabine weapon profile and kar98 (being shorter rifle) not.

As someone suggested above, maybe Relic uses the term carabine in a different meaning, not the actual definition (??).
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Capacity_gear
25 Mar 2014, 19:13 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 19:08 PMsevenfour


That is my understanding as well (based on wiki :P ) ...which is the reason why I am confused about the weapon profiles in the patchnotes, i.e. G43 (being a longer rifle afaik) having a carabine weapon profile and kar98 (being shorter rifle) not.

As someone suggested above, maybe Relic uses the term carabine in a different meaning, not the actual definition (??).


I think we're getting hung up on semantics rather than accepting that terminology aside, it would be down to gameplay for the decision on what profile a weapon uses
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Affe
25 Mar 2014, 19:16 PM
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Soviet Starting Resources

Manpower from 490 to 350

Soviet Base Structures

Motor Depot fuel cost from 90 FU to 140 FU
Tank Depot fuel cost from 90 FU to 140 FU

German Starting Resources

Manpower from 520 to 360

German Battle Phases

Battle phase 1 from 25 FU to 45 FU
Battle Phase 1 research time from 32.5s to 45s
Battle Phase 2 from 35 FU to 55 FU
Battle Phase 2 research time from 37s.5 to 60s
Battle Phase 3 from 50 FU to 60 FU
Battle Phase 3 research time from 40s to 60s

Soviet T3 and T4 are now absolutely overpriced. 140 fuel for one of These buildings.It makes 280 fuel now if you wanna build both of them.

Soviet T3 & T4 are now +100 fuel(2 * 50) more expensive then before.
German battle phases are now only +50 fuel(1* 20, 1* 20 and 1*10) more expensive then before.

Seems crazy to me.
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FeelMemoryAcceptance
25 Mar 2014, 19:26 PM
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More time for axis for get 222 in the T-2....

Nice, i'm sur spam snipers-guard is back and cheat once more.

Now russian can go T-2 + T-1 ?

Nice, the russian sniper have no counter.

heavy tank at 9 cp ? I need to make T-3 or T-4 or heavy tanks comes 2 min after or at the same time ?

Pathethic patch i'm sur ... Balance fuck, and cp system fuck i'm sur.
I was ranked 1 in 1vs1 with the 4 factions available in 2015.
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FeelMemoryAcceptance
25 Mar 2014, 19:27 PM
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And it's really nice, now 222s comes 5 min after russians scout cars ? :(
I was ranked 1 in 1vs1 with the 4 factions available in 2015.
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What Doth Life?!
25 Mar 2014, 19:30 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 19:26 PMFeelMemoryAcceptance
More time for axis for get 222 in the T-2....

Nice, i'm sur spam snipers-guard is back and cheat once more.

Now russian can go T-2 + T-1 ?

Nice, the russian sniper have no counter.

heavy tank at 9 cp ? I need to make T-3 or T-4 or heavy tanks comes 2 min after or at the same time ?

Pathethic patch i'm sur ... Balance fuck, and cp system fuck i'm sur.


Well thought out and constructive criticism!



Kappa
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WiFiDi
25 Mar 2014, 19:33 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 19:08 PMsevenfour


That is my understanding as well (based on wiki :P ) ...which is the reason why I am confused about the weapon profiles in the patchnotes, i.e. G43 (being a longer rifle afaik) having a carabine weapon profile and kar98 (being shorter rifle) not.

As someone suggested above, maybe Relic uses the term carabine in a different meaning, not the actual definition (??).


irl ofc but in relics defintion

single shot
rifle
longrange

semi auto
carbine
midrange

and for people on about svt close range they are not they are mid range weapons might be pretty good close range to though. :D
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capiqua
25 Mar 2014, 19:34 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 19:16 PMAffe

Soviet T3 and T4 are now absolutely overpriced. 140 fuel for one of These buildings.It makes 280 fuel now if you wanna build both of them.

Soviet T3 & T4 are now +100 fuel(2 * 50) more expensive then before.
German battle phases are now only +50 fuel(1* 20, 1* 20 and 1*10) more expensive then before.

Seems crazy to me.



I asked PQ:
1 If topple the Soviet T3/T4 by enemy, is more expensive to build back than German.
2 Having both T3/T4 in Soviet, is more expensive than German.

and I did not clarify.
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FestiveLongJohns
25 Mar 2014, 19:36 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 19:30 PMWhat Doth Life?!


Well thought out and constructive criticism!



Kappa



Yeah that guy has it all figured out!

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Capacity_gear
25 Mar 2014, 19:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 19:26 PMFeelMemoryAcceptance
More time for axis for get 222 in the T-2....

Nice, i'm sur spam snipers-guard is back and cheat once more.

Now russian can go T-2 + T-1 ?

Nice, the russian sniper have no counter.

heavy tank at 9 cp ? I need to make T-3 or T-4 or heavy tanks comes 2 min after or at the same time ?

Pathethic patch i'm sur ... Balance fuck, and cp system fuck i'm sur.


You do know that the correct word is 'Sure' right? 3 times seems more than a rage typo
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FeelMemoryAcceptance
25 Mar 2014, 19:54 PM
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No, it's because i'm French -----L0L--------

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Capacity_gear
25 Mar 2014, 20:03 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 19:54 PMFeelMemoryAcceptance
No, it's because i'm French -----L0L--------



Ah okay,. that explains the spelling then.

Whats the reasoning behind your rage then, surly that's not a nationality related thing?
I've met plenty of French people who don't jump to conclusions before even playing something.
I mean com'on,. you can't pull a few stats out of a large patch and call it fail, far to many changes to how inf work to jump to a conclusion like that, and besides if what you said is true i'm sure a later patch will balance it out even more.
you must agree this is a step in the right direction yeah?
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FrikadelleXXL
25 Mar 2014, 20:07 PM
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Really loving how these theoretician tomatoes here claim how balance will be after patch without even played the patch -.-
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JHeartless
25 Mar 2014, 20:08 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 20:07 PMFrikadelleXXL
Really loving how these theoretician tomatoes here claim how balance will be after patch without even played the patch -.-


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jump backJump back to quoted post5 Mar 2015, 21:57 PMREforever
The PTRS's are fine as they are. Whenever i'm up against Guard Infantry, I always have to be careful with my vehicles or the Guards will completely destroy them. Good range, good damage and fairly cheap; if anything, the PTRS should nerfed since it's ridiculously good for the price. Even in the hands of Conscripts, the PTRS's are extremely potent.
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Joshua9
25 Mar 2014, 20:19 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 19:16 PMAffe

Soviet T3 and T4 are now absolutely overpriced. 140 fuel for one of These buildings.It makes 280 fuel now if you wanna build both of them.

Soviet T3 & T4 are now +100 fuel(2 * 50) more expensive then before.
German battle phases are now only +50 fuel(1* 20, 1* 20 and 1*10) more expensive then before.

Seems crazy to me.


Does seem like the cost is prohibitive for ever having both buildings built in a game. Better solution might have been a supply depot style building for 50 fuel as a requirement for t3 or t4, thus staying away from an ostheer style phase upgrade, but only impacting on t3 and t4 for 50 fuel, rather than 100.

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Aerohank
25 Mar 2014, 20:24 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 20:19 PMJoshua9


Does seem like the cost is prohibitive for ever having both buildings built in a game. Better solution might have been a supply depot style building for 50 fuel as a requirement for t3 or t4, thus staying away from an ostheer style phase upgrade, but only impacting on t3 and t4 for 50 fuel, rather than 100.



This is a perfect idea.
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25 Mar 2014, 20:40 PM
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The Soviet's are designed to lack flexibility relative to the Germans. You aren't meant to get more than 1 late tier building.
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braciszek
25 Mar 2014, 20:43 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 20:40 PMpqumsieh
The Soviet's are designed to lack flexibility relative to the Germans. You aren't meant to get more than 1 late tier building.


Well, soviets are screwed there. Time to go only soviet industry. :/
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Speculator
25 Mar 2014, 20:44 PM
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Wonder if we'll ever see a penetration increase on AT grenades. Panzerfaust's are guaranteed engine crit with 170 penetration compared to 100 penetration on AT grenades. Coupled with the fact that AT grenades range just got decreased and guards DP price increased dramatically (affecting Vehicle Button), it's going to get a lot riskier on the AT infantry side for the Soviets.
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Capacity_gear
25 Mar 2014, 20:45 PM
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I do have a concern about the fuel cost of t-3/ t-4 for soviets, 140fu for each, however its nothing to do with its comparison to the german tech.

My worry is this:

Guys builds tiger, rushes base. Now as it stands this is usually a waste, may get a squad or 2 before dieing and maybe a building at a little inconvenience, but over all its cost incurred to its damage done is a bad decision.

Now a tiger rushes base,. kills a t-3/t-4 building, bam! 140fuel damage done + the mp,. if it kills 2 of them bam! 280 fuel + mp damage done to a target that cannot move or fight.

Now that isn't such a bad return, add in a lucky squad wipe and your evens with cost, add to that to the fact it will cause you enemy micro and time to deal with it why wouldn't you do it?
Its a cost effective suicide that has a very very good chance of paying off. Loosing the mp and fuel cost of a tiger compared to the fuel cost of t3-t4 plus the engi's and time to build seem like a good trade to me.
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