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25 Nov 2021, 14:48 PM
#41
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

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sov arent on the backfoot because everywheere are cons behind sandbags. 222 comes at the same time as t70. before that you need a Pak which leads to 320 mp down the drain which cant fight inf and is only good for chasing off lv. and then that thing even misses....

m5 comes at similar timing as 222, not t70. t3 timing resource wise is almost the same cost as phase 1 + T2 building.
25 Nov 2021, 15:34 PM
#42
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

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You would know about bias, considering you are probably the 2nd most Soviet biased pundit on this forum. Katitof takes the cake on that one.

The hypocrisy you are spewing is unbelievable.

he is not wrong though. I've seen plenty of extremely biased players, who have lots of games on most of the factions. In fact, it is actually quite hard to point out who is unbiased.
25 Nov 2021, 15:44 PM
#43
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he is not wrong though. I've seen plenty of extremely biased players, who have lots of games on most of the factions. In fact, it is actually quite hard to point out who is unbiased.

On the other hand people who only 1-2 faction are far more likely not to know what they are talking about when it comes to units they have not even used.

So no he is not right, player who play all factions have a better understanding of the game regardless if they are biased or not. It would guess that playing 1-2 faction is actually more common of people who are extremely biased.

And no building a mortar in 4vs4 game does not "mean one lose in the long run" so again he is not right...
25 Nov 2021, 17:52 PM
#45
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sov arent on the backfoot because everywheere are cons behind sandbags. 222 comes at the same time as t70. before that you need a Pak which leads to 320 mp down the drain which cant fight inf and is only good for chasing off lv. and then that thing even misses....

Either you have quite bad 222, or god tier T70 timing. But no, Conscript sandbags usually not being spammed, unless the Soviet player does not get enough pressure. And if so, your PaK will come in even more handy and be able to take those out.

What's your solution then? PaK40 should hit every shot? How is the T70 buffed then if it can't really perform anymore as it has to? The Soviet player just spent 260 MP and 70 FU to finally pull slightly ahead in the AI game until mediums roll out.
I've just shown you that the PaK hits fairly reliably and is ALWAYS a threat for a vehicle that can take only three shots. Every T70 will retreat if it sees a set up PaK facing it, regardless of an occasional miss or not.
25 Nov 2021, 18:15 PM
#47
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Either you have quite bad 222, or god tier T70 timing. But no, Conscript sandbags usually not being spammed, unless the Soviet player does not get enough pressure. And if so, your PaK will come in even more handy and be able to take those out.

What's your solution then? PaK40 should hit every shot? How is the T70 buffed then if it can't really perform anymore as it has to? The Soviet player just spent 260 MP and 70 FU to finally pull slightly ahead in the AI game until mediums roll out.
I've just shown you that the PaK hits fairly reliably and is ALWAYS a threat for a vehicle that can take only three shots. Every T70 will retreat if it sees a set up PaK facing it, regardless of an occasional miss or not.


yes, in that case the t70 drives to the other side of the map, knowing there are no threats for it whatsoever and can chase off harrassers
meanwhile your pak gets swarmed by 4 cons because now the sov player knows
when it gets repositioned, he drives the t70 back in. voila wehr gets pushed off

the alpha strike of the pak should have 95% chance to hit
25 Nov 2021, 18:15 PM
#48
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yes, in that case the t70 drives to the other side of the map, knowing there are no threats for it whatsoever and can chase off harrassers
meanwhile your pak gets swarmed by 4 cons because now the sov player knows
when it gets repositioned, he drives the t70 back in. voila wehr gets pushed off

the alpha strike of the pak should have 95% chance to hit


TLDR doesnt know how to play
25 Nov 2021, 18:16 PM
#49
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2021, 18:15 PMKatukov


TLDR doesnt know how to play


and you know better with you wide wehr expertise of 1 game total which you lost?
25 Nov 2021, 18:33 PM
#50
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

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and you know better with you wide wehr expertise of 1 game total which you lost?

aaand you have near 1k games as SOV and still assumed that t70 had same timing as 222? I'm not saying that you are a bad player, but some of your claims here are wild AF.
25 Nov 2021, 19:25 PM
#51
avatar of Easy ♠

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Is it just me or does the so important first shot of the following units miss way too often:

Pak40
P4
Elefant

Wehr is reliant on stuff that works, this is frustrating

Elefant does seem to miss a lot.
25 Nov 2021, 19:51 PM
#52
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aaand you have near 1k games as SOV and still assumed that t70 had same timing as 222? I'm not saying that you are a bad player, but some of your claims here are wild AF.


ofc the 222 comes a bit earlier but the impact on sov is marginally unlike with t70. the funniest thing is trying to chase retreating units with the 222 which is as much fun as chewing on sand.
25 Nov 2021, 21:22 PM
#53
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

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ofc the 222 comes a bit earlier but the impact on sov is marginally unlike with t70. the funniest thing is trying to chase retreating units with the 222 which is as much fun as chewing on sand.

Nice trolling, man. almost got me.
you need 15+15+75+70 = 175 fuel to build a t70 (providing SOV went cons)

OST needs 10+40+20+30 = 80 fuel to build a 222. 175 - 80 = 95 fuel difference.

Well I guess you can say that t70 comes a bit earlier then P4 :clap:
25 Nov 2021, 21:55 PM
#54
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Nice trolling, man. almost got me.
you need 15+15+75+70 = 175 fuel to build a t70 (providing SOV went cons)

OST needs 10+40+20+30 = 80 fuel to build a 222. 175 - 80 = 95 fuel difference.

Well I guess you can say that t70 comes a bit earlier then P4 :clap:


I have had a few drinks so not sure if my math is off but ain’t it 100 fuel for 222 or 90 with T1 skip? Regardless massive 2-3 min time difference.
25 Nov 2021, 22:06 PM
#55
avatar of SkysTheLimit

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yes, because OStheer != Soviets, and dont have 6 men crew + arty function to clear sandbags

Oh of course, whatever you say. This has nothing to do with your claim that the Pak is hurt more by missing shots

If you have a problem with sandbags make a thread about it. Don't just turn this into a "poor Ostheer" rant. Though I guess that's what it is already
25 Nov 2021, 22:11 PM
#56
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

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I have had a few drinks so not sure if my math is off but ain’t it 100 fuel for 222 or 90 with T1 skip? Regardless massive 2-3 min time difference.

Breakdown:
15 (T2) + 15 (nade tech) + 75 (T3) + 70 (t-70) = 175

10 (T1) + 40 (Phase 1) + 20 (T2) + 30 (sdkfz 222) = 100 (Ok, I'm really tired after work)
25 Nov 2021, 22:19 PM
#57
avatar of rumartinez89

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Breakdown:
15 (T2) + 15 (nade tech) + 75 (T3) + 70 (t-70) = 175

10 (T1) + 40 (Phase 1) + 20 (T2) + 30 (sdkfz 222) = 100 (Ok, I'm really tired after work)

Lol, thought it was just me. I haven’t drank in a while but damn.

EDIT: I like to play as AssG when i play OST, T1 skip really don’t save much.
26 Nov 2021, 03:09 AM
#58
avatar of TehPowahOfWub

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the alpha strike of the pak should have 95% chance to hit


You should have a 100% chance to uninstall.
26 Nov 2021, 06:36 AM
#59
avatar of Klement Pikhtura

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Lol, thought it was just me. I haven’t drank in a while but damn.

EDIT: I like to play as AssG when i play OST, T1 skip really don’t save much.

Apparently a lil bit of sleep depravation and a hard day at work might make me fail at basic arithmetic :facepalm: (embarrassing)
26 Nov 2021, 09:14 AM
#60
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You should have a 100% chance to uninstall.


nice elaborated addition to the discussion, very good
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