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USF are not very limited in dealing with support weapons, they have cheapest mortar, pak howitzer, scott, Major off map. On top of that the get smoke round in both infatry and vehicles.
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A things you said need a lot of popcap and manpower bleed.
A cheapest mortar is the worst mortar too.
Major off map are suck. It need 3-4 sec before artiliy dropping in and it also expensive with need additional 3 popcap for major.
USF also have limited call in abilities and have no rocket truck.
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USF are not very limited in dealing with support weapons, they have cheapest mortar, pak howitzer, scott, Major off map. On top of that the get smoke round in both infatry and vehicles.
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are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
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I am correcting false claims like the one that:
"USF are very limited in terms of dealing with AT guns and team weapons in general."
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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i dont understand why USF got so many anti mg tool in the last years (for example fastest mortar in the game) to fight against mg spam..while OKW got nothing for the start....while both factions should be agressive. you dont even got smoke at start for a sake of nothing.
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apart from leIG, OKW gets their support weapons from either the start (rak), or simply by teching (HMG). USF has to choose or pay extra. But from these two factions, USF has to be played more aggressively, simply because of how rifles are designed + the light vehicle play from the Lieutenant tech to keep the momentum and advantage on your side. Also you can turtle as OKW, while it is quite hard to do it as USF.
There are a lot of merits to both factions. Just stating A faction has X, that is better then similar tool in faction B does not do justice to any of them.
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It's not a false claim, it's true.
One of the most effective tactics okw does is to attack move raketens behind their infantry. okw blobs cannot be challenged by anything short of a vehicle or rocket barrage. vehicles are dropped in 2 volleys against the usf. There's no rng of fail to penetrate and misses are extremely rare. You can shoot through any smoke. Ost does the same thing with paks, when they have 3 lmg grens that are vet3.
Up until the scott changes, every weapon used for dealing with ost weapon teams was vulnerable to pwerfer barrages.
If the quote was one like, usf are very limited in dealing with mg teams. Well that would be false. Smoke doesn't solve problem with all teams, just mg.
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kidding me? how okw can turtle better than USF from start? OKW has less option than USF. USF have even better trutle options with super fast mobile reinforce and healing and free squads from teching and t0 mortar. they get t0 bunkers from the start and have superior infantry with super long range howitzer.
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We are simply talking about different thing. You are talking about dealing with blob which is a different thing with dealing with support weapons.
T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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Imo one of the best anti-turtle things USF have - WP barrage on Pak Howi, it cost less then a nade, but effectively can render any turtuling almost useless, at least OST turtling.
While its not as good as against offensive retreating raks, still most likely OKW have his med HQ somewhat close to the front line (if its 3v3\4v4) and you shoundt have any problem bring pak howi closer and bombard his battlegroup HQ rendering healing useless for quite a while.
If OKW dont have HQ close, then in any case WP infront\on retreat path cripples any advansing\retreating squads very fast.
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Just was pointing out that OKW can turtle effectively with an example of a viable build. But the original point was that USF used to lack effective tools to deal with AT guns, which justifies Scott being more deadly then the STUG E. Viability of the Stug is another topic
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Well Scott performance mainly comes from its range, if we put them side by side at the same range, they are more or less perform on pair.
The only stugE problem - identity crisis. Its just not worth picking it over ostwind and later on no point of getting it over Brummbar. Its just a conciseness of either removing tank call-ins\adding requirement to tech up and the ostheer T4 becomming cheaper to unlock.
But as I was saying, StugE either should have been ost doctrinal "LV" (unit rewamp) or the easiest solutuion could have been giving it additional range to distinct it from Brummbar\Ostwind via the fact that it can utilize range. Maybe changing the firing model from a plunging fire to a direct fire and adding something like hull down (copy of the doc one) for vet1 could have worked aswell.
Other then that I think nothing could have been done to fix it at this point, without making it broken.
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m8 i hve an honest question to ask, did you read the title???? No condecending or anything this is a legit question.
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