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9 Jan 2021, 00:11 AM
#541
avatar of mongman

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jump backJump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 17:52 PMvgfgff
this is video prove about currently brumbar armor are bournced a lot of AT shot.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12-xeh9sS9xXfd-xJa6XBjqsBSCfHgCvm/view?usp=sharing
this video shown brumbar was bourced 3 shot constantly.
If you thing this was a bad luck/RNG. It isn't.In my experience this happened generally.


I don't know why I'm going to bother replying to you because man you clearly don't listen ever but that's the whole idea, to go in and take a couple of anti tank gun hits to kill support weapons and infantry, pretty garbage example of you already losing the game and having NO TDS
9 Jan 2021, 03:36 AM
#542
avatar of TickTack

Posts: 578

jump backJump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 18:05 PMVipper
.

My only point is that 5 men grenadier cost is 270/60 and not 240

Interesting, they're far cheaper yet more deadly than upgraded penals and cons. Is that why youre listing these costs? Thanks for explaining their excellent value
9 Jan 2021, 06:37 AM
#543
avatar of Vipper

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Interesting, they're far cheaper yet more deadly than upgraded penals and cons. Is that why youre listing these costs? Thanks for explaining their excellent value

That is simply incorrect 5 men grenadier are more expensive than conscripts not cheaper.
9 Jan 2021, 06:38 AM
#544
avatar of vgfgff

Posts: 177



I don't know why I'm going to bother replying to you because man you clearly don't listen ever but that's the whole idea, to go in and take a couple of anti tank gun hits to kill support weapons and infantry, pretty garbage example of you already losing the game and having NO TDS



"a wise man points at the moon and the idiot looks at the finger"

I point At brummbar was bornced AT you looking at "I'm losing" , "I have no TD".
and yes I will listen if you have some good tactic or information that prove this going wrong.

even I have TD if they move AT unit following brummbar. I still need to use AT for counter. but AT currently bounced too much
Or you just test it by cheat command mod.

Patch note.
The Brummbar is receiving a slight reduction in its armor to reduce its durability against massed AT fired.



9 Jan 2021, 06:43 AM
#545
avatar of Vipper

Posts: 13476 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post8 Jan 2021, 17:52 PMvgfgff
this is video prove about currently brumbar armor are bournced a lot of AT shot.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12-xeh9sS9xXfd-xJa6XBjqsBSCfHgCvm/view?usp=sharing
this video shown brumbar was bourced 3 shot constantly.
If you thing this was a bad luck/RNG. It isn't.In my experience this happened generally.


A 6 ponder firing at Brumbar max range has around 27% chance to bounce. The chance to bounce 3 shot is row is 2%
9 Jan 2021, 06:45 AM
#546
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Posts: 5279

jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 06:37 AMVipper

That is simply incorrect 5 men grenadier are more expensive than conscripts not cheaper.

That's not true at all. If you are going to count the reinforcement as an additional cost you absolutely have to count the con upgrades as additional costs.
9 Jan 2021, 06:48 AM
#547
avatar of Vipper

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That's not true at all. If you are going to count the reinforcement as an additional cost you absolutely have to count the con upgrades as additional costs.

I am not going thru the same debate again again here. I want to talk about it I suggest you start a thread about calculating unit cost.

The claim I just responded to is simply false.
9 Jan 2021, 06:50 AM
#548
avatar of TickTack

Posts: 578

jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 06:37 AMVipper

That is simply incorrect 5 men grenadier are more expensive than conscripts not cheaper.

Please provide break down of all cost calculations, else your claim is totally void without numbers to back it up.
9 Jan 2021, 07:20 AM
#549
avatar of vgfgff

Posts: 177

jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 06:43 AMVipper


A 6 ponder firing at Brumbar max range has around 27% chance to bounce. The chance to bounce 3 shot is row is 2%


combine with Its HP / speed make Brummbar has too much survivability and firepower.
9 Jan 2021, 07:27 AM
#550
avatar of Vipper

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Please provide break down of all cost calculations, else your claim is totally void without numbers to back it up.

You got this all wrong

Mr. Carmrine brought up the cost of grenadier with out any tech cost at 240 in which case the conscript's cost is also 240 while the cost of 5 men grenadier is 270/60 and this is a fact you accepted.

You suddenly changing the way you calculate cost for conscripts alone, is simply misleading.

Now:
"Please provide break down of all cost calculations, else your claim is totally void without numbers to back it up. "
9 Jan 2021, 07:30 AM
#551
avatar of Vipper

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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 07:20 AMvgfgff


combine with Its HP / speed make Brummbar has too much survivability and firepower.

Saying that something with 2% probability happens often is simply false and that was my point

On the other hand Brumbar is design to kill soft targets and using an ATG against and expecting to win is simply using the wrong tool for the job...

9 Jan 2021, 07:40 AM
#552
avatar of TickTack

Posts: 578

jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 07:27 AMVipper

You got this all wrong

Mr. Carmrine brought up the cost of grenadier with out any tech cost at 240 in which case the conscript's cost is also 240 while the cost of 5 men grenadier is 270/60 and this is a fact you accepted.

You suddenly changing the way you calculate cost for conscripts alone, is simply misleading.

Now:
"Please provide break down of all cost calculations, else your claim is totally void without numbers to back it up. "

Oh I see, you are acknowledging that grens are far cheaper to upgrade!

I can help with the maths because it seems it might be a weakness of yours, no offence, just happy to help:

Cons

240 mp
mobilise reserves (50 muni),
reinforce the missing man (15 mp),
TECH:
molly (125 mp, 15 fuel),
AT grenade (125 mp, 25 fuel),
T3
(
T1: 160 mp, 10 fuel
T3: 240 mp, 85 fuel)
)
TOTAL = 905 mp, 135 fuel, 50 muni

or, T4
cons, +
mobilise reserves, +
reinforce missing man (15 mp), +
TECH:
(
T1: 160, 10
T3: 240, 85
T4: 240, 85
)
TOTAL = 895 mp, 180 fuel, 50 muni

Grens

240 mp

T1 = 80, 10
upgrade 60 muni
reinforce = 30
LMG = 60 muni
TOTAL = 350 mp, 10 fuel, 120 muni

Hope this supports your assertion that cons are more expensive to upgrade than grens. Happy to help.

P.S. I didnt accept grens cost of 270/60 cos... it doesn't make sense! :) :) :)
9 Jan 2021, 07:47 AM
#553
avatar of Vipper

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This is troll post, so I will not even bother responding.


P.S. I didnt accept grens cost of 270/60 cos... it doesn't make sense!

Yes you did, you post acknowledges the price of grens at 270/60 :

Interesting, they're far cheaper yet more deadly than upgraded penals and cons. Is that why youre listing these costs? Thanks for explaining their excellent value


9 Jan 2021, 08:09 AM
#556
avatar of vgfgff

Posts: 177

jump backJump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 07:30 AMVipper

Saying that something with 2% probability happens often is simply false and that was my point

On the other hand Brumbar is design to kill soft targets and using an ATG against and expecting to win is simply using the wrong tool for the job...



not about 2% prop but all its stats.
so what need to use against them.
if I take advantage in a game. there will have no problem cause I forced enemy to build AT unit instead of brummbar.

TDs may fit but its can retreat always by its speed. or brummbar with pak combine that forced me to use AT but Brumbar can stand against or bounced AT easily.


in team match. if skipped pzIV. brummbar are arrived before multiple TD.
9 Jan 2021, 08:53 AM
#559
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Wtf mate are you even calculating?

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works...
9 Jan 2021, 08:56 AM
#560
avatar of TickTack

Posts: 578



Wtf mate are you even calculating?

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works...

And then you invisi my posts.

Know what? I can do better things with my life than hang around this cesspit of a forum.
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