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MG42 over performing

24 Nov 2020, 11:42 AM
#101
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Nov 2020, 04:19 AMCODGUY


You still don't catch a break with that because you have to side tech for smoke.
. Then you have a grenade to wipe the mg and take it after you flank!
24 Nov 2020, 12:37 PM
#102
avatar of Serrith

Posts: 783

. Then you have a grenade to wipe the mg and take it after you flank!


And its not as if USF doesn't have easy access to tons of smoke without needing to get grenades.
24 Nov 2020, 12:50 PM
#103
avatar of Protos Angelus

Posts: 1515

Oh just close this nonsensical thread. MG42 is fine. It's the best MG performance wise for a reason. Pios have 42 sight for a reason. Smoke it or flank it. Or send one cheap unit to scout first. Just enough with this BS that an MG42 can solo hold an area.
24 Nov 2020, 13:50 PM
#104
avatar of Widerstreit

Posts: 1392

I'm not happy to say, that HMG overperforms for its price because Pios and Grens suck for their price.

I would like to see some adjustemts to Ostheer's units to allow moving LMG back to T1, or even replace it with HMG34 to make it a doc-unit or middle-late-game alternative.

But making that isn't easy, because line-up and abilities would have to be changed. Because a nerfed HMG42 would be a dead unit, with it the rest will follow. A solution would be to kill some commander units and abilities and make them non-doc. That is my opinion.

All over changes would be:

e.g.
T0:
- Osttruppen (non-doc) price up to 210. Remove T4 LMG42-upgrade, but give 2 weapon slots. Lock Osttruppen's Faust behind T2-tech and remove ability to build bunkers. That would be a bonus for Osttruppen-commanders.
- Pios get AT-grenade (like Brits)
- HMG42 removed, replaced with HMG34.
- PnzGrens

T1:
- Grens get non-doc shock-grenade, Faust lock behind T2-tech, placeholder is AT-rifle-grenade.
- Sniper (untouched)
- Mortar (untouched)

T2:
222 (untouched)
251 (untouched)
PaK40 (untouched)

etc.

But all over.. still not good... xD I would replace Osttruppen-commander's Osttruppen with some upgrades, like into T34 call-in and maybe some upgades for nerfed Osttruppen, like giving back Bunkers and upgrades.
24 Nov 2020, 14:23 PM
#105
avatar of Lady Xenarra

Posts: 940

Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol
25 Nov 2020, 05:02 AM
#106
avatar of CODGUY

Posts: 884

Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol


That MG is no worse than any other non-doc MG. Actually it's probably the second best after the MG42.
25 Nov 2020, 05:08 AM
#107
avatar of Serrith

Posts: 783

Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol


The only thing the MG34 really lags behind the 42 is in dps. Suppression speed is less then 5% apart from each other, as the MG34 compensates the lower rate of fire with a higher suppression per shot.
25 Nov 2020, 16:50 PM
#108
avatar of OswaldMosley

Posts: 62

Oh just close this nonsensical thread. MG42 is fine. It's the best MG performance wise for a reason. Pios have 42 sight for a reason. Smoke it or flank it. Or send one cheap unit to scout first. Just enough with this BS that an MG42 can solo hold an area.

I said it gives the Ost player a big edge. If you're going to put words in my mouth, go away.
As I already stated, it's not such an easy task when the MG is being spammed and covering multiple angles. This is worse in certain maps. Brits also don't have starting smoke
25 Nov 2020, 16:52 PM
#109
avatar of OswaldMosley

Posts: 62

Meanwhile MG34 cries in the corner lol

Yeah, the 34 is kinda mediocre ngl. It seems to have the same difficulty a Vickers would have with multiple units spaced out. But at least it has that sweet big arc to compensate.
26 Nov 2020, 01:58 AM
#110
avatar of gbem

Posts: 1979

jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2020, 05:08 AMSerrith


The only thing the MG34 really lags behind the 42 is in dps. Suppression speed is less then 5% apart from each other, as the MG34 compensates the lower rate of fire with a higher suppression per shot.


the mg42 also has more reliability against cover and terrain due to higher accuracy since apparently accuracy affects suppression against cover and terrain...
26 Nov 2020, 12:46 PM
#111
avatar of Lady Xenarra

Posts: 940

jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2020, 05:08 AMSerrith


The only thing the MG34 really lags behind the 42 is in dps. Suppression speed is less then 5% apart from each other, as the MG34 compensates the lower rate of fire with a higher suppression per shot.


jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2020, 05:02 AMCODGUY


That MG is no worse than any other non-doc MG. Actually it's probably the second best after the MG42.


Well I have advocated for a DPS or an easier vet buff to the thing in the past but as it stands, even lower dps seems to be the continued theme.
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