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Give m20 crew zook upgrade

rqd
9 Nov 2019, 08:27 AM
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Current m20 is easily countered due to timing nerf and crew zook removal, especially by wermacht 222s.

So I think we could bring the crew zook back at a price of 50 mu? Skirts cost 70 mu so the power of m20 is still limited by muni income, and to get the upgrade you need to decrew m20 first and waiting for crew upgrade to complete...then it won't have timing issues.

Miss this unique feature of m20, hope we can restore it in some other form :P
9 Nov 2019, 11:56 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post9 Nov 2019, 08:27 AMrqd
Current m20 is easily countered due to timing nerf and crew zook removal, especially by wermacht 222s.

So I think we could bring the crew zook back at a price of 50 mu? Skirts cost 70 mu so the power of m20 is still limited by muni income, and to get the upgrade you need to decrew m20 first and waiting for crew upgrade to complete...then it won't have timing issues.

Miss this unique feature of m20, hope we can restore it in some other form :P

You want bazooka for the crew? unlock the raks and buy then...there unique feature restored.
9 Nov 2019, 12:12 PM
#3
avatar of Freestyler1992

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No thank you. I don't want that gimmick jumping out of the vehicle and instantly having a counter to a 222 or light vehicle.
9 Nov 2019, 12:21 PM
#4
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I'd sooner undo the timing nerf than the bazooka removal.
9 Nov 2019, 17:59 PM
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Isn't the m20 still dominant in meta play?
9 Nov 2019, 18:36 PM
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Current championship, usf seems to go pickup truck + 50 cal upgrade. Damn it has crazy warspeed ability. And the 50cal upgrade shoots really far from the truck...
rqd
9 Nov 2019, 18:51 PM
#7
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Isn't the m20 still dominant in meta play?

Well it completely disappears in larger game modes. M20 loses its timing so now it is a situational unit in 1v1, going straight for stuart seems to be more meta.
9 Nov 2019, 20:59 PM
#8
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Current championship, usf seems to go pickup truck + 50 cal upgrade. Damn it has crazy warspeed ability. And the 50cal upgrade shoots really far from the truck...


200 manpower for sth like that. Just incredible...
10 Nov 2019, 01:00 AM
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avatar of Hon3ynuts

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Isn't the m20 still dominant in meta play?


No everybody unlocks it then buys a stuart.

Not seen that much b/c if the opponent is ostheer they will have an early 222.
Vs OKW they are going to get a flak ht or luchs at 6-8 minutes so you can't really afford all the manpower for healing, stuart, 50 cal, AND m20. Most people are choosing not to get the m20 first and later it doesn't make as much sense.

It's not bad but it's not really meta now that you have less manpower and the m20 can do less damage (timing).
10 Nov 2019, 01:09 AM
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No everybody unlocks it then buys a stuart.

Not seen that much b/c if the opponent is ostheer they will have an early 222.
Vs OKW they are going to get a flak ht or luchs at 6-8 minutes so you can't really afford all the manpower for healing, stuart, 50 cal, AND m20. Most people are choosing not to get the m20 first and later it doesn't make as much sense.

It's not bad but it's not really meta now that you have less manpower and the m20 can do less damage (timing).


I'm confused then. Its damage wasn't nerfed, only the zook was removed IIRC. So because now it's weaker to 222 from OST it falls from meta?
10 Nov 2019, 01:32 AM
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I'm confused then. Its damage wasn't nerfed, only the zook was removed IIRC. So because now it's weaker to 222 from OST it falls from meta?


I find that you can barely lose any rifle or RE models if you want to really rush it because now the Officer costs more and most of the time you had the fuel sooner than the manpower, so it's a bit harder to get out in general, especially when your waiting for the now very long build time.

But if your manpower capped why not just wait like 90 seconds and buy a stuart to counter the 222 you need to spend resources to counter anyways.

I'm generalizing pretty harshly because your talking "meta" but I feel like you need to watch your manpower budget with USF wisely and the m20 is sort of a luxury item. It's not unseen for sure but it's not meta anymore
10 Nov 2019, 01:35 AM
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I'm generalizing pretty harshly because your talking "meta" but I feel like you need to watch your manpower budget with USF wisely and the m20 is sort of a luxury item. It's not unseen for sure but it's not meta anymore


Captain plus AAHT plus mg airdrop (airborne) is my preference. M20&Stuart doesn’t seem as attractive anymore.
10 Nov 2019, 06:03 AM
#13
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M20 is just not worth it anymore. Without a zook, you run into the very real chance that you will not have AT when the enemy armored vehicle arrives. It just makes more sense to wait a little and buy a stuart which is in the same tier.

That being said, old M20 really was quite oppressive with stuart and free LT in same tier. I don't know how to bring it back as a viable choice short of a tech revamp.
10 Nov 2019, 08:33 AM
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Isn't the m20 still dominant in meta play?

Quite positive M20 meta died the second crew lost zooka.
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