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Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room28 Dec 2020, 19:00 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 18:51 PMVipper For the same reason PTRS conscripts lose their molotov probably. Too many abilities, hotkeys and passives to fit into the grid? In: Lobby
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room28 Dec 2020, 18:27 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 18:15 PMMr Carmine If at squads should loose ai power, why do pgrens keep their insane nade after getting shrecks? To keep their 30+ CQC DPS in check once upgraded obviously. In: Lobby
Thread: new meta 28 Dec 2020, 18:06 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 17:49 PMullumulu u can read, right? I compared ti with panther, which cost nearly the same, has less armor, has much less AI, little more range, no nondoc smoke, no greandes, and let you alone it AT. a panther need ages to fight AT guns...a comet need less than some secounds. Even worse. That's like complaining that jackson can't kill infantry fast enough compared to T34. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Dec 2020, 16:52 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 16:41 PMFunPolice I don't know how exactly to do this but I think a good buff to Penals would be to do 2 things. 1. Make the AT satchel deal less damage but have more range. That's called AT nade and they already are available for stock squad + AT satchel is not offensive weapon, its a deterrent to pushing them. 2. Lock the normal satchel and AT satchel behind the Grenade Package in the HQ. Why? You are adding an extra cost here, what is the point of that? Regular satchel can not be used against infantry anyway if your opponent isn't browsing xvids while playing anyway. The increased range doesn't need to be much but it being a little easier to get a snare off would be nice to see. Plus the biggest change is that penals can have a snare without needing to get PTRS rifles which means there is a better threat of snares being something the enemy has to watch out for. Currently with only 1 penal getting PTRS (you can only afford one realistically) the amount of snare Penal starts have is laughable. If any penal could snare it would make the job of the PTRS a lot easier overall. Penals are not supposed to have snare without PTRS. The whole point of AT satchel is to keep vehicles away from them as they lack alpha damage to scare away med armor from engaging up close. Also, if you need this much snares, don't spam penals, build cons. Another idea is to do a bigger set of changes to the SU76. Currently there is just little reason to get one compared to the T70 and after that point they just don't preform well in any way. What if you made the SU76 like 60 fuel and toned it down to mainly make it effective against LVs and even handle (with vet ofc) mediums? It could essentially become the mid game of a penal start and be the core AT of that build that helps against infantry thanks to it's barrage ability. So maybe the change could be something along the lines of: Fuel cost reduced to 60 fuel (from 75) Penetration values decreased (practically a Pz4 would bounce a good amount of shots from an unvetted SU76) Vet changes (things like Vet 2 granting more Pen) Any changes to Barrage to balance out the cheaper cost (I would assume this takes a smaller nerf to help prevent spam being to strong) Then you'd kill the unit completely as it would pretty much revert it to sate from 4 years ago, because there is exclusively ONE unit it would be able to engage - puma. I have no clue if the above changes would be enough nor would I know the exact values they should be made to but it could be another way to improve penals by giving them serious AT to shut down LVs in a more serious way and also has the added benefit of making the SU76 more appealing to get in a build. Ideas about giving them lend lease AT are not new ones, but I don't think they'll ever get it. SU-76 will never be appealing over T-70, because SU-76 does not plug the hole T-70 does - complete lack of AI in early mid game. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room28 Dec 2020, 16:42 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 16:40 PMPip I still think Penals should just be moved to tier 0, have their AT package removed, and be given Veterancy and a "Mobilise Reserves" upgrade" to compensate. Guards (Or some variation thereof) should be put in tier one. Their starting power changed to accommodate the fact they'd potentially be coming at minute one (Or being further gated behind also having tier 3/2). They provide a better AT platform than PTRS penals, due to Button, and it gives Soviet an infantry option to compete with Axis elites. I'd still prefer Penals be redone into a true Conscript alternative, but this is a potential option if that isnt on the table. That's not even wishful thinking, that's a meth overdose dream. What do you do with 7 doctrines with guards? What about shocks+guards? What kind of power level these new penals should have if they are supposed to be alternative to cons, but but coming at the same time as cons? What role should they have, because you've just described "cons but not cons, because they have different name now" which already is vippers wet dream. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Dec 2020, 15:21 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 15:16 PMVipper Then inform the MOD team and not me and tell them to remove the 3 PTRS because it does not work. So you are saying that you support further PTRS buffs? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: RNG28 Dec 2020, 14:37 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 11:53 AMA_E B) cinematic RNG, affecting one player in a huge and unpredictable way with little to no counter play or player input involved. With B you consider RNG that makes the game less fun to play/watch for the competitive scene, so if there's an option to remove it for competitive games only that should be our approach. Can we ensure we're on point/message here, no one is against A, and if they are I haven't seen them speak here. Unless tournaments are going to be played on special mod that removes that RNG, every single player is going to suffer removal of it, making the game more competitive and more boring. This is what happened to DoW2 (synch-kills, the very thing that made the game so popular and cinematic got removed to please the 40 players playing competitively) and this idea of removing RNG that affects outcomes came to life giving us generic DoW3. I don't want CoH to end up as generic RTS and each patch dealing with that outcome changing RNG is making the game more boring to watch and more generic across the genre. In: Lobby
Thread: Tech cost28 Dec 2020, 14:31 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 07:33 AMVipper That is a completely one sided approach. It one want to calculate things in that manner then: Grenadier are not 240 manpower...they are 240mp base cost + 80/10 T1+100/40BP1 For 4 grenadier that is 285mp For 3 grenadiers that is 300mp. One can not take into account tech cost for side and not take into account the tech cost for the other. In addition conscript spam is viable while vanilla grenadier is less viable. Something in your math is off. Could you list one by one all the upgrades that affect grens and grens exclusively without giving you access to better tech, stronger units or more units, but only a singular gren ability or weapon upgrade, like soviet molotov or AT nade? In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback28 Dec 2020, 14:27 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 10:56 AMVipper Since PTRS penal battalion are now designed as other AT squads and can counter mediums they should come in line with other AT squads and lose their AT snare and have reduced AI power. Penals do not counter mediums. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room28 Dec 2020, 14:26 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2020, 10:55 AMVipper Since PTRS penal battalion are now designed as other AT squads and can counter mediums I highly advise you to play the game and see how it works in practice or just check your worshipped Tightrope vid featuring it. Becaust AT penals most certainly do NOT counter mediums, even behind green cover. In: Lobby