Profile of Imagelessbean

Demo's are stupid in a game about unit preservation when they can wipe single units with ease.

I could see demo's being removed.

I could also see demo's receive a forced timer (like airborne) so they can deal with structures and houses but cannot be used on units. They would need a serious price reduction.

Placing only on certain objects I think is a must so that units can at least guess at where they are when they don't have a sweeper. Sweepers cannot follow every unit everywhere. Demo's hand huge strategic initiative to defensive players by forcing battles at only certain areas or forcing forces to be split up and limited in scope of engagement.

Demo's could also changed to a field like unit that when triggered by a the controlling player exploded over a period of 3-4 seconds to give units in the field a chance to retreat, but was devastating to blobs which were in the entire field.

Another option might be to simply reduce AoE and give them a reduced cost so they functioned more like manual mines.

I am hesitant to say limit it to 3 models per squad since that will create some weird feedback where units will be standing in an explosion and will simply walk through it like ghosts. This is not intuitive to players, especially new ones. Why should an explosion kill man x but not man y? Mines get away with this because their explosion is smaller and the disconnect is not obvious in game play. Also does it really pay to set a demo at 90 munitions if you are likely to get no more than 3 models? Could still be an option though.

I think its good to just brainstorm so that we can have some ideas ready in case we get to address this item.

I don't see much constructive here, especially if this is a weak attempt to provide cover for insulting the balance team.

If the wasp is not at as good as it should be make a thread about that. I have yet to see a reason the FHT is not a fair unit considering its high cost, and limited time frame, after which it has to be defensive. It also loses its ability to reinforce units, and yet the vet is largely targeted at that function.

At most this unit needs a slight change to damage to garrison since it can be hard to react with less than full health MGs, but even that has to be slight since it really is designed to punish defensive building play.

So you call removing their key utility for a pittance cost reduction a buff?

Their scoped g43 can not one shot a sniper, do you know how its mechanics even work?

And so what if PF still exist, youre still removing one possible counter. Plus PF dont counter snipers, other than just being 6 men.




Well isnt that a loaded question. And yes, OKW has no hard counter to snipers and you're just removing another counter from an already weak arsenal

Your statement as written is incorrect. Jaegers have a G43 member that crits members when the health of the opposing target falls below 75% and a penetrating hit. In most squads this results in a somewhat inconsistent model drop because it relies on RNG. However, when fighting snipers all members of the squad fire at the same model making for far more consistent model drop. In fact, with the received accuracy of the sniper Jaegers will rapidly drop the health and with one good shot will crit a sniper. How is this not a one shot-one kill on the G43? The only limitation is that the sniper needs to take some damage first.

PF do a good job on snipers for a couple of reasons: 1) they have too many models to be bled away by the sniper, 2) they have long range high DPS rifles that fire accurately on the move, 3) all their vet focuses on closing gaps quickly, increasing accuracy, and providing more sight.

While I agree that OKW will have a harder time dealing with snipers if infiltration units are modified, this is also the case on many maps anyway. There are currently plenty of maps where a good player can keep their sniper away from buildings that can be used. The changes to the snipers in the current mod will come as a nerf to this unit, and I think it better to continue to nerf that unit rather than leave a questionable mechanic in the game. Falls spawning on retreating maxims and the drop-pickup-drop "bug" taking over so the MG gets wiped is stupid.

No, that is just the COH2 way. People forget you can tech T2 and get a ZiS if you need to, they're just used to clicking the lazy buttons of Elite Inf docs.

Wehr T1 has no AT.

USF has no AT unless you TECH zookas which is a fuel/tech and muni cost. So technically not just T1.

UKF has to tech to 6 pounder AT guns.

OKW does have the raketen and Sturm pios but yet they struggle with AT more than any other faction in the game since both are kinda shit.

Soviets can get T2 right at the start and build a ZiS for no fuel at minute 1 if they want. Then have access to what is considered one of the most useful MG's in the game as well as Cons with AT nades should they want them. Also the best healing in the game for the least cost. T1 has 2 man snipers which are super powerful on their own, along with the M3 which is also useful. Now, with all of this already quite strong early game options does anyone think that Penals need PTRS or that Soviets need AT in T1? You're out of your minds.

Indeed it is the COH2 way, in that the game is quite a bit different than COH1. While I prefer COH1 I have to work with what I have.

T1 on Wehr absolutely has lite AT, in the faust, or as Australian pointed out the teller mine. Lite AT meaning that the unit can slow a mechanized unit and buy time until a suitable answer is developed. Fausts for instance buy time until the AC can arrive and keep them back or hunt them down.

If someone went T1 and had to go T2 then you set up a situation where teching is linear or T1 is never used because it costs twice as much as T2. The penals with PTRS are not strictly early game. Since they require a large munitions investment they are late-early, early-mid game, and you probably won't want to go with them unless you specifically give up on getting hard AT. In this case you need to rely on commanders or some other trick to keep you going for your first vehicle. On top of that you give up your powerful AI squad, with vet targeted at that for some AT to hold the line.

I am not disputing the power of T1, in that it has utility, but forcing it to play without any back up plan makes it such a high risk playstyle it is unlikely to be used. PTRS penals may not be perfect but I haven't heard too many other good ways to make T1 attractive once penals are nerfed.

I did leave off Soviet Cons with AT nades, which certainly are there, and should be considered as well.

I don't think we should automatically accept PTRS penals because the balance team is trying them, but I do think we should try them in the mod first.

Please read the balance patch notes, or even the balance patch itself. These units are out of scope.

Both of these units need to be balanced and will be, hopefully, in the future. If you want to discuss them please do not insinuate that they need to be addressed in this balance patch.