Profile of Serrith

Are you suggesting that we should just feed vetted squads that are past their powerspike as XP to the other player to free up popcap? Because that is not how the game is designed.
Bleed a little less, but keep bleeding.

I dont think just feeding your opponent units was what was suggested. Rather, it was more "If I buy this unit, will it scale well? Or should I get a unit that will stay useful longer instead."

Bleeding less is good, it means that you can deal the same amount of damage but at a lower price. Instead of trading 3 25mp models, you trade 3 20mp models. Having lower popcap means you can potentially field an extra squad into a late game composition which is very useful given that volks provide snares as a utility.


That said I am not saying I agree with the original suggestion.

This doesn't work for the simple reason that regardless, you will always need at least one sturmpioneer unit, and unless you want to build a 300 MP unit just for repairs, sturmpios need get in the combat ASAP to get a chance to vet and scale decently in combat or at the very least pull their weight early before being actually relegated to overglorified pioneers without non doc flamethrower and good mines

Brits start with infantry section instead of RE. For the cost, just add the difference in mp cost to OKW starting resources.

Top players in a game are usually the most biased ones and as such will always, consciously or not, advocate for their favourite faction.

Honestly this is the same no matter what skill level you're at. The difference is that top players know better how to maximize a factions potential so biased balance suggestions from them at least come from a place of knowledge.
Bias is not particular to nor even emphasized by greater skill.

I see you are unaware of what the problem was. Each weapon from Grens did 16 damage per shot. 16*5=80. There are often occasions when Units like Rangers/Paras/shocks charge in they have a leading model this mean all 5 gren models target that one model and in 1 volley kills it. Even if you think these guys have lower damage this is what caused them to be able to take down much stronger squads. This problem was prevalent when sections used to be OP. There are some fundamental mechanics that goes beyond dps numbers. Like let me give you a FPS example. In CS GO the m4a4 has a dps of 366 while the awp(sniper) has only 79 dps. But people will tell you that awp is a lot stronger than the m4a4. DPS means nothing if get insta killed.

In the case of shocks, evidently you forgot that shocks have 1.5 armor so even IF all the shots from the 5 gren models were to roll hits, unless they also ALL rolled pens they wouldn't actually down a single shock model.
Against paras, you need to knock out at least two models before you start trimming off their firepower since the Thompson paras have 4 Thompsons which are favored over the m1s. Lmg paras you'd need to take out 4 of them, but against lmg paras the grens have to charge anyway and the likelihood that you'll land all 5 shots on the same model while on the move at mid-long range with grens is so statistically improbable that its not even worth considering.

But even if I grant that a single model of these 6 man elite infantry squads is downed early, do you really think that the 5 man gren squad will be a able to stand toe to toe with 5 shocks in close range? Or 5 Thompson paras in close range?


Yes, against units like conscripts, non bren sections and stock rifles this is a big deal. Its largely irrelevant against elites-or at least not significant enough to tilt an otherwise fair engagement in their favor.

1 no 2 would definitely be too much for shocks and lmg paras.

You said "old 5 man gren could 1v1 every type of elite infantry and win."