It is inline with pioneers...
Imo reinforcement costs are all over the place for allot of units and I would rather have return to rule that associated reinforcement cost with the value of unit. But the rule should have exceptions according to categories. For instance SMG troops should be cheaper to reinforce since they are expected to have higher casualties, something like 15-25%.
As it so happens, I think pioneer reinforce cost is too high. |
Axis OP.
I charged my Riflemen across red cover vs Volks in sandbags and only barely won the fight.
Worse still, I charged into an MG42 headfirst with my Riflemen and lost the engagement.
With the IS buff, USF no longer has the strongest, most cost-efficient mainline. This is made worse by getting free officer squads with teching, which results in less MP income. Something needs to be done about this.
I hear vehicle crews are also a huge problem as you can only repair with them if you take them OUT of the vehicle. Imagine if Ostheer was saddled with this burden. |
they do not, anyway just try merging and you will se how trash it is
Yes they do. The only thing they do not inherit is the base model stats-which is armor and RA.
And I merge all the time. Soviet 1v1 is my most played game mode. |
no xd, conscript are worse from guards, also you talk about non vetted guards
The merged models benefit from the vet of the unit they merged into. So If you merge a vet 0 conscript into a vet 3 guard, those conscript models will instantly get additional accuracy and RA. |
5 men PF are less cost effective even to VG and that is why spamming PF does not work.
It's more that if you go straight penals, by the time you have your 3 squad, I(as OKW) will have my fourth already on the field. |
Think the c. trap is meant to used to reduce the damage they take but I would have no problem to be replaced by booby-traps (although I would rather have BT do DOT damage). But I suspect it would be a nerf since BT need to placed in owned territory.
I am not claiming that Partisan are great but they come with lots of utility and dirty cheap price, the unit performs very good for its price.
The concussive trap must also be placed on owned territory. I guess the idea was that you stun the enemy unit then close the distance. But honestly, either the enemy will retreat once they see the partisans coming, or are powerful enough to just stand their ground and shred the partisans. Either case needs your partisans to be camping the cap for it to be effective.
Booby traps will have a similar usage(it'll give the partisans the upper hand) except it will cause damage instead and that will be useful against any squad- even if the partisans aren't around to engage.
I do think 210mp is a good price to call them in. Its the reinforcement cost that gets me. |
merging into any other squad i mentioned before will reduce their combat effectiveness and is just stupid to do
I disagree. It's a matter of cost benefit.
If you merge 7 man conscripts with guards, the models will have an RA of 1.09(vs 0.97) or 12% greater then guards do normally. HOWEVER, 7 man conscripts cost 18 to reinforce vs 27 for guards which is 33% less.
So its 12% lower durability, but 33% lower cost. That is absolutely cost efficient. Obviously if you are swimming in manpower you may as well just reinforce normally, but if you are trying to save on your MP at all, it is quite obvious that merging with 7 man conscripts is the way to go. |
you merge only to CEs, svt conscripts and support weapons or to save the squad from wipe
otherwise you dont merge into any other squad and why would you field conscript and a penal
Merge when you have 7 man conscripts can actually be an extremely cost efficient way of bringing squads back to full HP. For example, if you have a guard squad down to 1 man at your base and you reinforce with your 7 man conscript, you save 45 manpower-plus it will get your guard back onto the field earlier then if you just reinforced it like normal (conscripts reinforce faster than guards).
The only squad I would still avoid doing something like that to is shocks, since the body armor on shock models is where their durability comes from-and cons don't have it. |
The chasing can be done by spawning on retreat paths or setting up mines/ambush there
They already have increased sight and 2 types of mines. I do not remember if they have a cap bonus.
You are correct, my bad. They received 42 sight range and +25% cap speed. They also have concussive trap, but its too situational imo and should be replaced with booby trap.
The 42 sight range is the same as pios and I actually discussed pio sight range in the other thread. Suffice to say I think it should be farther, 45 would be a good place to start. |
Back teching is irrelevant, you claimed:
"Playing soviets with peniles against OKW with PFs, you will be behind at least one squad for quite some time because of this."
that is simply untrue, G43 PF will not outnumber Penal in the start of the game because they have to set up truck and come up with the munition to upgrade.
And that why PF are better designed than Penal that should also have their weapon come as an upgrade.
Back teching is not irrelevant for soviets. There are absolutely situations where you NEED Tier 2 with soviets but you haven't saved the fuel for Tier 3 and thus are forced to "back tech". This is not the case with OKW mechanized.
Yes, you will be behind on TOTAL squads which translates to map control. I am not saying the OKW will field more G43 PFs, I am saying the OKW player will have more total squads and hence more map control. |
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