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I think we may have completely different views on what constitutes power creep.


I could be wrong and i'm sure someone who works as a game designer or has taken classes into it could correct me but this is my POV.


The concept basically comes from TCG (trading cards games) such as Magic the Gathering, Yu-Gi-OH, Pokemon, etc. The game model design is to keep releasing new content at constant time frames to keep the game fresh and interesting. This means the new cards must be worth buying/playing but this may conflict with old content, specially if it becomes obsolete.
As a physical format, you don't have the luxury to "nerf" by just reprinting existing cards in the market. Therefore you have 2 venues of action. One is banning cards from "regular" play. And the other is creating formats which contain different power levels.
This means that the "official" setting of play only takes into account a certain period of time. If you don't play MTG or Hearthstone, it's called Standard.

The other 2 genres that you can frequently heard the concept is MMOs and MOBAs.
MMO more so than MOBAS work in the basis of having fresh new content keeping the playerbase engaged. With MMOs, this generally causes that equipment and old Dungeons/bosses become irrelevant once the game get's to a certain age. Ways to "fix" this is by limiting playstyle all together (say Vanilla WoW) or reworking those levels to the current standards (Heroic, increasing difficulty).
The way MOBAs tend to suffer is that new heroes/champions can do way more things than older ones, usurping the roles, niches or strengths of prior characters. This not only applies to MOBAS but in the genre of FPS/Arena shooters like Rainbox 6 or Overwatch. Fixing it means either reworking old content to bring them up or nerfing new content down to the current power level.

This is where i think i have to make 2 distinctions. It's not the same addressing power creep through sheer raw stats changes than doing so by changing complexity.

Now let's go back to CoH2.
If i can simplify the strength value of each faction in a numerical value from 1 to 10.
EFA were released at an 8/9, with newer commanders been 9 and TA/Windustry been at 10 (11). Several nerfs and balance changes later, the overall power level was a 6-7 and the game was fine.
Forward to WFA release, USF and OKW were a 9/10 (OKW less so in 1v1 and USF less so in teamgames). Balance changes later all factions they were brought down to a 7/8.
Finally UKF was a 6/7 in 1v1, a 9/10 in teamgames and commanders were 10 (PArty Cover been a close 11)

This means, that the game doesn't necessarily power creep, cause it's not about old content been creep out due to new factions making old ones obsolete. It's just that new factions were not balanced yet. Same with reworks and new commanders.
If instead of nerfing back then commanders like Windustry or Tiger Ace, PG + PV spam, maxim spam, sprinting snipers in clowncars with reversing race car Su85 and brought everything to that level it would had been power creep. If we kept new factions as they were and instead tried to brought everything to their level, that would had been power creep.


You bring different examples that i don't think necessarily applies to the concept of power creep.

PPSH: well going from 20/10 munition upgrade to 60 munition is not power creep. The short lived PPSH meta relied on different changes applied at the same time. For example: Conscript vet changes and what they were facing at the time (mostly OH, not OKW).
IF today PPSH are not as strong it might not be only because other things are stronger and needs to be brought to their level but it might be that the nerfs were too effective as well.

7 man con upgrade is strong and getting nerfed. SVT will probably have to be nerf at some point. PPSH without nerfs and at 40 muni cost would compete perfectly fine with todays SVTs.


If things got too long or confusing.
I don't think COH2 suffers from any power creep. I think CoH2 suffers from things yet to be balanced.

right now u would need a miracle to get any value from it if the kubel does it's job better

U already know what my opinion is in the current version. IF not, i've already said that the vision range should had started at 120 with no cost increase and then scale down if necessary.

Reason: there is no need for artillery units to remain in the frontline once they use their barrage.

IRHT is a HT which needs to remain in the frontline to get value out of it's vision.

Snipers were also close to 40HP at the beginning.