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its in industry, thats why its not used. the manpower drain is too penalizing. the tank itself has issues, but its not the main reason why its so unpopular.

also soviet t3 got a massive nerf when okw came in with schreck blob. its just that much easier to chase tanks away with schrecks than having mediums totally shitting on infantry. industry relies far too heavily on having t3 as its core. so while you are gimped on mp, you are also far too hard countered. thats why industry is rarely used and in turn, kv2 isnt that popular anymore.

i dont see the problem here really. getting multiple is2 is nothing, panthers match them so no biggie. multiple tigers? meh, we have jacksons so its good. soviet dedicated AT could use a slight penetration buff but meh, its still bearable.

the problematic ones are KT which is non doctrinal and JT. these 2 are rarely called in pairs and are a 1 man army by themselves because of that 400/500++++ frontal armour and insane gun/range.

im not sure why t34/85, ez8 and kv1 are even being talked about. they are just regular medium tanks with abit more hp or more armour, cannot match heavies and require really strong risky flanks to be of any use. these tanks are much harder to use than they are to counter. schrecks eat them alive, AT guns limits their movement, whats so problematic about them?

a bigger problem would be discussing abt why soviets constantly needs call in infantry to fill up gaps in their rooster. conscripts cant make it past early game, penals are quite trashy without m3 combo.

every single soviet infantry gets smashed in long range and require really risky flanks or superior cover to match german infantry. only guards who can barely match everything except obers and gren lmg blob.

If they have more than 2 units Of At as OKW they will force you off and you would have been better served going with an IS2 2 cps later unless you like kill a destroyed engine luchs or something crazy like that.

The only time its worth it is vs OKW when you can burn down the flak HQ when they have almost no at 15 minutes into the game(too much at and it won't work)

vs ostheer 2 paks will shut you down or a pak and a vehicle or even just 1 pak well placed if your lucky.

The tank scales terribly doing mediorce damage with low speed and no at, it cannot respond to threats easily around the map but lacks the armor and damage to be a real spearhead vehicle. T34s are safer b/c they can kill a luchs and can avoid freevet shrek shots from volks with range and speed. even coming earlier

Of course it is worth it if your opponent gets no at units 15 minutes into the game...like every other tank doesn't really punish them harder than any other tank though

It really needs something changed so its faster OR has more armor and damage so it can decide if its going to run around the side of the map or actually be able to tank some damage in the middle of it. Cost is not an issue really it just fufils no useful role better than the alternatives it should be a viable lategame unit in terror and anti infantry tactics somehow but its really not

this.

Ciez, I appreciate you trying to be the voice of sanity here, but you are arguing with a bunch of people who are mostly single-faction 4v4 players...sapienti sat.

he is only worried for ostheer t3 and tigers, which is valid. but against okw who can get panthers much faster, get heavy tanks with huge armor values, the jacksons is very much underwhelming.

the idea is not to buff the jackson which is already in a very good spot, but to nerf the stuff that are really screwing the game up.

ie. nerfing laser guided schreck spam + ober combo, JT/KT 400/500+ frontal armor values, okw being too cost efficient tech wise.

how about lowering the value of the problems? KT, JT and panthers. also, nerf blitz.

jacksons are great against all until panthers and above, when their armour values just are wayyyyy too high, 1 bounce per 3 shots is fine, having 3 consecutive bounces is not.

then, there're also sniper schrecks that compounds the problem even further.