some people are denser than a rock. okw is full of elites, the only reasons why they arent used because of this non doctrinal mother of all infantry, obers. okw is perfectly fine on their own, without obers and still have strategies to deal with infantry.
flak track has been buffed to awesome levels, instant suppression and a hell load of damage at barely 5-7mins. claiming that okw without obers will lose is really just an uneducated guess, seems like you havent been playing enough okw.
i think this is getting no where, the only way for them to understand is to make them feel the pain.
Bollocks. Veterancy is not an automatic given most okw units dont even see veterancy 3 let alone 4 or 5. the only one that vets up like crazy is volks with shrek and if their plenty of tanks nearby. even then its needed for the volks because volks veterancy 1 2 and 3 are significantly inferior to other baseline infantry
Bollocks. if you take in account the fuel penalty the okw is about as fast in teching as the soviets. and comparing them to the soviets is also bollocks because the entire faction is based around call-ins to coverup a weakness. dont like it either talk to relic about it. usf on the other hand is just as balanced as the okw/ost.
What micro are you referring to? you cannot kite with lmgs unless you have some kind of sprint ability. Also micro? every time i hear that word i got the feeling some people here are suffering some horrifying disease that doesn't allow them use their hands and arms correctly. their is no micro involved just good judgement and anticipation. depending on the map either the shocks or obers are more useful but the fact stands that shocks have just as much impact as obers. in fact their was good reason why obers got changed from cp 1 to 2. their is no excuse for a ostheer player to be not prepared for shocks and the same goes soviets and us for obers.
this is so full of shit, i have no idea where to begin. if you cant get vet3-4 with obers i suggest learning when to a move, dodge nades and pray to the rng god so mortar shells wont land on you. apart from that, obers can get to vet3 easily and usually the real reason why obers arent getting to vet 4 onwards are not because they are weak, because there's no more infantry for them to kill and the other team has already conceded.
i have no numbers to back me on the 2nd point so i shant comment.
3rd point, micro also refers to focus firing. shocks at range are useless and sniped down easily by obers and supporting fire from volks and sturmpios. considering that the other infantry in the soviet army dont do any damage at range, its simple to prioritize on shocks. infantry running at the same speed also means shocks can never get into close range if you moving back the squad they are targetting and let supporting infantry take shots at shocks. it is that simple. i have no idea why you dont understand just that.
or maybe thats why obers are a 'okay' in ur hands, i guess its totally l2p for you.