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Mr.Smith got me thinking in another thread... Handheld AT does deflection damage, and the Piat more than most...

Yes we all know it is a fucking useless weapon but... Mathematically at least... This might be worth trying...

The Piat hits nothing on autofire, but does full deflection damage so irrespective of the opponents armour value it will deal full damage. Hence a PIV with 640 health should die to 6 hits. One of those nasty bastard Panthers to 7.

So, as we all love annoying the Axis fanbois yet another challenge, to one shot Axis armour!

The rules, Piat blob of 3 or 4 engineers, dual wielding Piats. Find Axis armour. Attack ground wherever they are likely to roam. See if you can twat them in one volley. Save a replay and post it if you succeed.

1 point per PIV, 2 per nasty bastard Panther and bonus points for Tiger, KT or whatever other monsters they throw at you. 3 points for a rage quit, 4 if the Axis gets stroppy about your mother in chat or calls you gay. 5 points for anyone who causes a Piat OP thread. 10 points if it is posted by Bannerman, PenisRumMuncher or whatever his fucking name is.

Sadly Latch has shaved his moustache however the prize will be equally as crap as the currently unclaimed UC challenge one.

Enjoy.

I find Comets to be about equal, though this may be due to Vet, the result of the calc surprised me a little bit.

Maybe with a Comet I'm squishing the annoying bastards... Not sure.

Edit:

Two double shrecked blobs would apparently mean a dead Comet after four volleys. This doesn't seem right, so I think you'd have to halve the damage for moving. In the meantime both a Comet and Churchill get 5 rounds off, plus enough MG fire to wipe a couple of models.

I'm still going for the Comet here as trying to squish them also prevents them from firing. Course the Churchill has it's hull defences too, though there is no chance of a squish. They certainly don't suck against infantry.

Side or rear armour would be more realistic too assuming some other bugger is engaging them, in which case I'd give it to the Churchill. Lone squads I think squish wins.

You can counter Vickers in garrisons with grenades of various types. The Vickers will kill a couple of models and suppress the squad but it cans till crawl within grenade range, which with flame or infiltration grenades equals a dead Vickers.

Flame halftracks, flame equipped pios, mortars, ISG and a sniper are other options.

Your best counter to the AEC is not to over-extend. Protect your most important territory but don't leave lone squads out of position for it to target and chase back on the retreat. The AEC can be dominant for a few minutes before you get AT out, so just minimise your losses and faust and shreck it to death if he over extends himself.

Mr.Smith do you actually use Churchills or are you just going from stats?

That's an ass backward way to compare durability. Panther pens at 240 and most AT pens at 200. Lets use 200 as a baseline..

Pens Churchill 83% of the time.
Pens Comet 68% of the time.

Hence Comet requires 8 hits to kill, Churchill 11. Trouble is the Churchill is almost certain to die to 11 shots, there is a deal of random chance in the Comet's figure, yes it can die to 5 but it could just as likely survive 13.

Now you might say the Churchill is more durable, but in game it isn't. Comet has useful smoke, a better gun to take opposition tanks and AT out and most importantly the speed ( especially with warspeed) to get out of trouble fast. It also has the armour to have a decent chance of deflecting incoming shots as it speeds away. It can crush shreck blobs too.

Panther kills the Churchill in 9 hits, guaranteed. Churchill needs at least 14, and likely more against it. Panther likely kills the Comet in 7 shots, but dies to the Comet in 9.

The Comet however fires faster, so has a good statistical chance of soloing a Panther from the front. You will never get around the back of a Panther with a Churchill so it is moot. Again though the Comet can get away if the engagement goes badly.

The Comet is more durable by dint of being a balanced mix of firepower, protection and mobility, the Churchill an ass backward sponge which can get into trouble but not out of it. This is purely due to nerfs which have gone so far as to make any comparison between the two a joke considering their extremely similar prices.

If you take two 35 tonne tanks and design one to be highly mobile with effective firepower then it's armour should suffer in any equally valid design. If the other is to be slow and poorly armed then it's armour can go through the roof. One is an extreme point on the triangle which prioritises protection, the other a more central point which is a good all rounder.

The Churchill though doesn't obey this due to nerfs. It is considerably weaker in firepower, massively weaker in mobility and doesn't compensate with protection. The one and only thing it had going for it was ridiculous nuke grenades, though this fifth nerf killed off the entire weapon system and Anvil with it. I cannot conceive of a scenario where a vanilla Churchill would be superior to a Comet.

Gawd knows why it's armour was ever nerfed, it isn't as though the Axis lack heavy tanks, tank destroyers or AT in all of it's forms.

It needs a high armour value ( you know, like all the other heavy tanks in the game) to have any value at all, which would neatly also reduce the vet given away by it.

"but damn they pen reliable panthers frontally and have some good Ai too"

Please tell me you lost a Panther to boys AT..... Back of a fag packet calculation you'd have to let it fire unchallenged for several minutes!

Tee hee!