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Thread: Lol shocks.13 Feb 2017, 15:14 PM 1) Imo shock are not a bad unit it the WFA that are OP that creates the impression that they need buff when it the WFA that actually need one. (For instance Thompson has to much accuracy at range 20.) 2) On the other hand there are some issue with weapon profiles curves: For instance all 4 PPsh variants have the same DPS from 10 to 0 meaning that a player should not close the distance more than 10 since most other weapon get better the closer ones get to 0. Judging distance 10 is rather difficult and it goes against how other assault troops work, so I see no reason for this type of curve. Actually it should be the other way around other weapon profiles should stop benefiting from moving closer and smg should become better. 3) Assault troops in general could use a -target size bonus when in red and open modifier similar to (UKF troops) and a +target size penalty when in yellow/green/garrison cover. that would allow these troops to suffer less casualties while closing, while easier to dislodge from fortified positions. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet M5 AA13 Feb 2017, 12:15 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2017, 09:08 AMHighfiveeeee AFAIK currently the M5 AA has a chance of 3 to 10.000 per shot to take down an airplane. Which is 0.033% per shot. Which is very very very low... Since it has 4 HMG firing the number of shot can be allot and the chance may go up dramatically. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Artillery Field officer13 Feb 2017, 12:07 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2017, 11:34 AM0ld_Shatterhand Your concept is great, but in reality its only of use in rare cases. Going for a howitzer in 1vs1 is risky especially with so many things outright deleting it for a small munition cost. And if you manage to obtain the howitzer the cooldown becomes so low, once you hit vet 2-3, that you can barrage almost immediately again, thus rendering the officer useless. In addition this tactic only works with one commander, and the officer is at least in 3. So I think we can agree that he definitely needs some buffs, not combat wise but support orientated. If you replay is direct to me my point is that the Ostheer officer should be easier to vet. That can be achieved either from shared vetrancy or/from weapon upgrade (or a faust). Other than I agree this units should add via utility and not via direct combat. The barrage is rather lucking especially compared to the stock Major barrage that does not require an arty unit to be present. Maybe the unit to could be improve its utility by having an aura that affect only arty units like mortars, weffers and Lefh maybe shortening barrage or increasing barrage range accuracy. The officer then could share experience with these units. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Artillery Field officer13 Feb 2017, 11:26 AM Imo the majority of units (if not all) should vet that includes both Axis officer. The aura bonuses of units should also become better with veterancy. Some of them could start with lower buff and become better with veterancy as Command panther work. Especially for the Wer officer imo some help to vet is needed so either shared veterancy or/and a weapon upgraded is needed since the unit has low DPS (maybe a MP44 replacing the luger?) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Lol shocks.12 Feb 2017, 18:50 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2017, 18:48 PMferwiner I think he ment HMGs. Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2017, 17:48 PMAustralian Magic So what do you prefer when standing in front of tank MG DPs of grenadier squad 3S K98 + 1 lmg 42 vs 1,5 armor and 0.66 TS Armor--16.6--14.6--13.2--11.8 TS-----15.6--13.7--12.3--11.3 DPs of grenadier squad vet 2 3S K98 + 1 lmg 42 vs 1,5 armor and 0.66 TS Armor--22.5--20.5--18.5--16.5 TS-----21.8--19.1--17.3--15.8 DPs of grenadier squad vet 2 vs red cover 3S K98 + 1 lmg 42 vs 1,5 armor and 0.66 TS Armor--24.2--22.5--21.2--19.8 TS-----27.3--23.9--21.6--19.7 One also has to keep in mind that shock PPsh lose not DPS up to range 10 so they do no have to hug the enemy, actually there is little reason to move closer to 10. They also have some of the best modifier on the move. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Lol shocks.12 Feb 2017, 18:31 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2017, 17:48 PMAustralian Magic Nope. Almost all MGs have penetration higher than 1. So what do you prefer when standing in front of tank MG or Grens or Obers etc etc? Armor 1, when all of these have penetration 1.10 or 1.80 or high rec. acc?? I have already answered that hull mg and coaxial mgs have penetration of 1 it is the pintal that have more. Shock troops should not be standing in front of a tank in the first place. Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2017, 17:34 PMRedT3rror So the Thompson is the reason why shocks suck? Continuing to buff units to WFA levels is a step in the wrong direction, it makes the fights last less, becoming more rng and less tactical. Unit should be brought down to EFA levels and not the other way round. In addition comparing a default weapon with weapon upgrade is misleading, if one compares most default weapons with upgraded weapons one will see that their are inferior. And shock troops squad do not suck, they have one highest DPS up to range 10 while having some of the highest EHP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Lol shocks.12 Feb 2017, 16:07 PM Actually it is the thompson that is broken having too much dps at ranges up to 20 and not the PPsh. Thompson has around X 80% of the MP44 dps at range 20 while it has X 145% of the MP44 DPs at range 10 making too good ta range 20 which should be considered mid to far. Smg should not a have a flat DPS curve from range 10 to 0 like Thompson has but should actually improve DPS the closer one get to range 0. In addition comparing weapon upgrades weapon and default weapon is rather misleading. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Lol shocks.12 Feb 2017, 15:11 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2017, 14:44 PMMr.Smith With respect to armour vs RA, of course RA is more important than armour. RA can help you dodge all sorts of things: - When retreating vs a sniper - Dodging those 3-5% accuracy hits from tanks (it's tiny, but it helps) - Accumulating less suppression - Receiving lower damage from higher-than-average pentrating sources (e.g., most like vehicle LMGs, etc) 1)We are talking small arm not sniper where this little difference and on retreat is a very specialized occasion. 2)Most damage from the main gun of tanks comes from AOE not direct hits. 3)We are talking damage not suppression , shock have a smoke grenade that they should use vs HMGs. 4)coaxial and hull hmg have penetration of 1 only the pintal have more. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some QoL suggestions12 Feb 2017, 14:29 PM Jump back to quoted post12 Feb 2017, 13:56 PMOsinyagov Sorry, missed your post. Looks interesting, i will add it to the first post! NP no need to apologize, glad that you like it. In: Lobby
Thread: Lol shocks.12 Feb 2017, 14:24 PM It has been argued, in this thread, that Shock would be better off if they had RA then armor. Lets try to explain with another example: Shock troops have a armor 1.5. We replace that with an equivalent Target size 1/1.5=0.66 so we give the, target size 0.66. Now the shock troops vet 3 charge vet 5 Volks grenadiers (with basic accuracy 75%/71%/68%) using road that allows them to move faster and close the distance faster. Chance to hit far 0.681.251.31.150.830.66 = 1.05 = 0.70% chance to damage (both hit and penetrate) 0.70% Now the normal shock do exactly the same 0.681.251.31.1583 = 1.55 = 100% chance to damage 11/1.5 = 0.66 In this case Shock troops are better with armor than with smaller target size and it becomes better the closer they get (77% vs 66%). (side notes: 1) it make little difference to me how modifier are presented as long they are being used right 2) I am responding to an argument that target size is better than armor so calculating DPS in not necessary) In: COH2 Balance