Profile of Angrade (Ægion)

Actually this scenario can occur far more then you seem to believe. You use the stormtrooper for capping or decapping the enemy cutoff, fuel or victory point, and then plop it there a minute or two for the inevitable recap. This is not an uncommon tactic with ambush units.

You claim that pioneers and stormtroopers overlap, but somehow royal engineers and commandos don't. You mentioned commandos can get brens, well so can royal engineers, albeit weaker variants just like pios have weaker mp40s then stormtroopers. As already mentioned, conscripts and combat engineers is far more egregious in this regard, yet nobody is complaining about how those two have literally identical weapons.


If your goal is just to force the enemy to reposition, incendiary grenades do just as good a job as standard ones, except that incendiary grenades can deny buildings while regular grenades wont.

Then ambush camouflage would do the same thing for pgrens, probably better with their better range.

As I said, Pioneers need a damage buff, thus lack of identity. Royal engineers have a better target size and have a non-doctrinal size increase.

Bundle grenades would, again Pgrens do the same job but better.

Sure, and panzergrenadiers can lose to conscripts at mid range. It happens. Now repeat that test with a more accurate representation of stormtrooper use.
Have a squad of rifles advancing on cloaked stormtroopers in cover, have the stormtroopers pop tactical advance once the rifles are at 10 meters, and give the rifles a second or two reaction delay to simulate the surprise factor.


And Pioneer smgs do less than half the damage of stormtrooper smgs, what's your point?


A grenade can be dodged, a grenade is less reliable at securing wipes on retreating troop, grenade requires the unit to be stationary for the throw animation. Powerful is not just how much upfront damage can be done. If that were the case, then the railway artillery would be one of the strongest off maps in the game, and propaganda artillery one of the weakest.

A hypothetical scenario that may only happen once a match that involves an opponent that does nothing that would require a heavy amount of map influence to actually hope that this scenario would occur.

As mentioned before with issues with pioneers and look we went full circle were the Stormtroopers lack identity.

A grenade dodge reduced damage output especially if they are carrying non firing lmgs. Even a miss grenade does a lot of damage thanks to free damage the squad can inflict. Propaganda is one of the strongest, and it deals no damage.

Question, how bad was your latency. I tried testing my theory but was unsuccessful. Could a high ping cause my theory, aka larger window?

I pressed X to cancel the mine indeed, did that really cause this!?

Maybe? Frame Perfect bad luck?

And I'm saying your argument that "5man pios" are decent damage dealers, while unupgraded pios aren't doesn't add up. If the damage is so pitiful, a 25% increase in pitiful damage is not worth noting. And this is also ignoring the fact that you typically run sweepers on your pios in the mid late game. So a 5 man pio is only going to have 4 guns anyway. Early game you dont need sweepers so you also have 4 guns on your unupgraded pios.

I understand your rocket point. That because a close range troop must theoretically approach the enemy in order to reach their optimum range, they are therefore putting themselves closer which against SOME rocket artillery means shorter projectile travel time.
First, the two german rocket artillery take the same amount of time to land regardless of distance. However since we are talking about german infantry I'll ignore those for now.

Lets take a hypothetical scenario where I want to close range nuke an enemy infantry squad. I have decided that 40 meters is a good range to barrage the enemy squad. If the enemy infantry is static, I start firing at 40 meters and target slightly behind them, and the projectile travel time is -just for argument sake- 1 second.
If the enemy infantry is moving towards me, I ALSO fire at 40 meters, but I fire slightly ahead of them, and the time to impact is the same 1 second. Either way time to impact is the same since I targeted 40 meters out from my rocket arty.
I assume your point about rockets is from close range, because if the rockets are firing from max range then 10-15 meters closer isn't going to matter and the scatter is going to be wonky enough that both squads have a similar chance of getting wiped.

Regarding moving back to the same spot, you said "Longer range units can easily force a rocket unit to move inorder to fire, delaying it." I assume we are talking about long range infantry and not long range vehicles. Why are you letting long range infantry get close enough to "force your rocket unit to move"? Are you letting them sit there 30 meters from the frontline?
Either way, unless your opponent is a complete fool, this is not a real advantage for long range infantry.

Saying tactical advance is a "CRUTCH" implies to me that you think it is there to make up for their lack of damage. It is not. It is a tool that lets them punch well above their weight against squads who are distracted, or become wiping machines against troops that are retreating. You don't use tactical advance on squads who are ready to fire on you. You use them on troops who are already engaged or are caught out of position. It requires more thought then "Oh instant damage boost! Yes plz!"
If you are sending your stormtroopers on a flanking run without using their "advanced" camo, then you are playing wrong.

Mid range dps is useful, but you don't need a unit to have excellent mid range dps in order to be useful. Nobody complains about commandos. At the moment they are underutilized because sections are so good and are in relatively off meta commanders, but nobody is calling for buffs on commandos. And commandos have a very similar role to stormtroopers.


The first strike bonus is good no doubt, but has nowhere near the utility of the tactical advance, being able to activate it whenever you want makes it far more versatile then an ability that activates once if the unit attacks out of camo, and cant reset unless it exits combat and goes back into camo.



Ostheer operates strongest in combined arms. Stormtroopers are excellent for this, you take a bad long range engagement- say grens in heavy cover against a conscript and a guard, then sneak your stormtroopers into close range. Getting into their stronger range is something that Panzer grenadiers actually struggle with.

Five man pios with flamer, short hand.

For Rocket Arty, 20 range does matter for scatter, plus travel time. Most people fire max range barrages. This is my observation. If a the rocket arty have to reposition, they generally miss. Also the Pwerfer it clearly effected by travel time.

By the time get into combat they are usually dead. They do lack mid range damage, thus they do get outclassed by pgrens. Commandos have 5 men. They can take a model drop. They can be upgraded with brens and often are for more mid range damage rather than close range. Additionally, UKF has no counter part to commandos. Royal engineers do not have a similar DPS curve. Osteer does have a counterpart to stormtroopers. Any unit can be used for flanking, though only weapon teams for pioneers. Panzergrens does it better than stormtroopers because they can do it at more of a distance. The bundle grenade, only sightly more expensive offers even high damage than tactical advance and quicker as well. Stormtroopers are outclassed and out shined by panzergrens. The bundle grenade is much better, more purposeful and reasonable than Tactical Advance. Tactical Advance offers very little in capability.