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Like I said, Barrage is not a problem. I am perfectly fine with Barrage in the game. I'm just pointing out the unparalled AI it has when it arrives which I'm fine with, just the AT is a bit ridiculous for when it arrives and the numbers it can be fielded in.

Id nerf the Puma too, it does have the mobility to get around T-34s.... So I don't see why it has that much Penn. Even then, as it shouldn't, it doesn't get through heavy armour.

Puma taking 2 IS-2 shots - yeah that's called hitpoints which isn't realistic but as both of us are CoH2 players, we're willing to shrug it off.

Also after doing some research, yes, even the ZIS-3 can't deal with Panthers and Tigers from the front and has trouble.

you may find funny that alot of 76mm guns penetrating a panther but i also find funny that units with bigger guns(on the allied side)performe worse then they should(is-2 122mm gun cant penetrate relianly the panther).

Apart from that the su-76 has ALOT of weakness like low health,low armor,low damage,awful AI(the barrage is unreliable at long range and at close range is very vulnerable to enemy AT),low range.its in a very good spot and doesnt need ANY price increase or nerfs to its penetration and it should be common sense NOT TO CHARGE a lone panther or any tank against a wall of tank destoyers.

If you still think the tanks needs nerfs then i would suggest you play ATLEAST 40 games as soviets and get a taste of its performens from their perspective and tell us about your expiriance.

Don't ppl ever look at stats if they're provided?

Common sense also tells me that 76mm guns shouldn't reliably Penn Panthers from the front, otherwise they wouldn't be trying to fit 85mm guns on tanks and TDs kn 1944/1945.

When I play Soviets, if I'm encountering Gean heavy armour, I try to do something called flanking and hitting it with combined arms/multiple directions/weight of numbers. If I'm really dealing with lots of heavy armour, I start building SU-85s.

Oh and maybe one shot with barrage may not be a problem but when you find 2-3 SU-76s barraging the same spot (common on 1v1 with smaller maps) it tends to squad wipe reliably, nothing wrong with barrage, its annoying but I'm prepared to live with that.

If the 122mm on the is performs as badly as you say, it should be fixed, but I find 85mm guns perform really well for sovs.

Artistic license is already used in quite a few ways, if you complain that the SU-76 is too effective, why not the identical ZiS-3 AT Gun? What about the Puma using a 50mm gun that can penetrate Shermans and T-34's?

And if you want to argue realism, the SU-76 is the second most common armoured vehicle behind the T-34 Tank, so by that logic we should see a lot of them.

Agreed. I'd have to confess that the Puma shouldn't be able to deal with the Shermans and T-34s frontally but I haven't really used Pumas for quite some time.

The SU-76 may be the second most common armoured vehicle, but you don't see SU-76 cutting through Panthers, Tigers and Elefant's armour like butter.

Static AT guns, on the other hand, because of their lack of mobility, should have some degree of artistic licence given to them as they would be primarily defensive weapons due to their mobility and can be stolen easily. You don't need a lucky abandoned crit to decrew AT guns but you do need it for vehicles.

The SU-76 has a multiple role of barrage and AT.

Barrage from a pack of SU-76 tends to prove lethal to any infantry. You may dodge a lot if you listen out for barrages but you can't hear them all. Don't get me wrong, I do not have a problem with its barrage performance.

The SU-76 however, does ludicrously well against heavy armour. For a unit that comes out in the first 5-10 minutes, and has the mobility and usefulness that the SU-76 has in the early-mid game, I find this ridiculous.

IMO the SU-76, as it did in WW2, should be able to stop armour as heavy as Pz 4s (Ie proper medium armour) and have trouble fighting against Panthers, Tigers and Elefants frontally as it did in the war. And even then the SU-76 comes out a lot earlier than the Pz 4, esp for OKW but also for Ostheer.

That is what I find acceptable performance of the SU-76. The current implementation takes artistic licence to in my eyes an unacceptable level.

Dealing with panthers? Then Tech and build the proper TDs like SU-85s or T-34-85s that were actually built to deal with Panthers and Tigers.

nah, making an SU-76 means waiting that much longer for an SU-85. It does 120 damage, which isn't negligible but isn't major either. Nerf it now and it will never be made. These posts whining about an SU-76 dealing damage to their precious panther are a joke.

Most people here complaining about it really haven't used it. It's sluggish, has a narrow firing arc and turns like shit.

"oh noes the SU-76 now has a chance to penetrate my armor, nerf it"

lol, please

The thing is in 1v1s/2v2s, SU-85s arent being built because the penn on the SU-76 is more than adequate. 3v3 and 4v4 maps tend to be far less chokepointy so I can see SU-76 wouldn't be as problematic in those games, but on maps like, say, Semoisky or Stalingrad, its a big problem.

And ppl end up using turn boost bulletins to counter it and by the time a Panther comes out, you tend to see 2-3 SU-76s on the field already, especially if you're OKW.

120 damage may not be major... assuming you have only one. 2-3 of them tends to become major, esp since you have 2-3 to kill.

EDIT: Just checked the patch notes and the SU-76 hasn't been changed from the last patch apart from being moved to Tier 3. It always had the same penn, the difference is it's now spammable.