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It makes it a lot harder for Allies or Axis factions to get their 2nd or 3rd tank afterwards. So essentially, its a far bigger nerf to tank combat than changing prices. Also, it discourages ppl from getting light vehicles.

Lowering fuel income as such is a bit like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut (ie, raising tech prices, tech times or individual tank costs)

I really don't see the problem, I just had a game there and my triple vetted su76 still didn't pen panthers and KT's every shot. It's not like 3 su76's are one shotting your panthers or KT's or even getting them down to half hp. You have plenty of time to react and get the hell out of there.

You need to let this wartime thing go, this is a game based on ww2. It's not a simulator. That's why your squad doesn't disintegrate every time any tank shoots near them.

If you want to talk realism, why doesn't a kubel get annihilated by my zis (when I finally hit the bastard)?

Firstly the kubel should get annihilated, anything less is bad design.

Secondly, yes it may not be a WW2 simulator but it may as well be DoW4 if it didn't follow historical realism to an extent.

For me the furthest artistic licence should go is SU-76s killing Panthers. It really shouldnt be killing Tigers and KTs. I mean, there's a reason why the Soviets upgunned their T-34-85s and built IS-2s, SU-85s (which was actually a stopgap to ->) and SU-100s - because those tanks actually have a fighting chance against Tigers and KTs.

Now if the Sovs were lacking proper AT options then yes, maaaaaaybe give the SU-76 its current stats. It's not.

At the same time, I don't want to see Vasilly Zaitzayov (I'm on a phone and don't know how to spell) man the AT role of the SU-76 and a vodka infused gunner man the AI role. Barrage should be buffed with Penn being nerfed. Doing both

A) wouldn't break the unit
B) Give it the proper dual roles it has and should have
C) lo and behold lets the vehicle follow history.

If the SU-76 became this, I would still build it, its still strong early to mid game.

To put it into context, it is the only vehicle that has a maximum operating window from 5th-7th minute to the end of the game as it stands.

SU-76 is finally decent = outraged cry from Axis only players.
Everything as expected.

Bet you didn't read the entire thread. No one is outraged here, I just find SU-76 performance too comically good in the AT department despite its real war time record - it wasn't bad, but it could never dream of fighting tigers and KTs unlike in CoH2 now.

(I guess it works both ways, you don't see Tigers, Elefants and Tiger 2s breaking down in CoH2 ^^)

But seriously another thing I'd nerf would be Puma Penn, really shouldn't go through M4s and T-34s frontally.

Yeah, as you can tell, I'm all for historical authenticity if plausible and not gamebreaking regardless of faction

4 SU-76s = 300 fuel spent on tank destroyers ... you don't think that 300 fuel spent on tank destroyers should destroy a tank? That's more than an Elefant costs.

Not to mention that unlike an Elefant, the SU-76s lose 1/4 of their DPS (and 75 fuel) every two times the KT fires. If the KT knocks one of them out and then retreats the soviet player loses 75 fuel and 280(?) MP while the OKW player has lost nothing.

Oh I think 4 SU-76s should destroy tanks, just not KTs.

And I'm pretty sure the SU-76 is faster in a straight line than a KT is reversing.....

And there's plenty that can destroy Panthers, the AT gun, T-34-85, SU-85, IS-2, ISU, hell even cheap mines help a lot. Even with a Penn nerf on the SU-76, the sovs aren't lacking in options.

@Fistfunk.

I have never, ever, in the life of me seen someone call T-70s and KV-8s bad. You're the first. T-70s get outshone now because the M5 is too good in the current meta.

Nabarxos and hubewa, I strongly advice the two of you to chill the f out. Your little beef is derailing this thread enough already

It's fine, I can't be bothered replying to this clown anymore.

Anyway, gave the SU-76 a go, with the M5. My takes from it.

1. A significantly alert player will not get SU-76s killed by creeping Paks
2. Be dominant enough in the early game and you can get both M5 and SU-76 in 7-8 min.
3. Barrage is effective en-masse and that's it. It can be buffed.
4. By the time the KT comes out, 3-4 SU 76s can reliably kill a KT from the front (alright with an IS-2 as well)

Yeah this thing is waaaaay too strong, its endgame performance seriously needs to be toned down. The kicker is that the SU-76 only eats 8 pop, meaning even after building 4-5 or those, you still get to maintain an army after.

The current Soviet meta is more or less push German army off with T3. M5 shuts down Infantry and light vehicles, SU-76 shuts down medium armour and even heavy armour. Just having a unit like the M5 rotate around the map is a lot stronger than clowncars doing it. Something seriously needs to change with Soviet T3, it really does feel too strong.