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What does FBP have to do with it?

It was cancelled and is no longer supported by the developers.

Or did I miss something?

I'll repeat myself:

The Panther can't be used to full effect.

Either you chase tanks to deliver shots and expose your weak armor. In that case the Panther will be finished as fast as any other medium tank.

Or you keep your frontal armor at the enemy and deliver only a few shots. In that case the Panther will only pay off after 15 minutes of babysitting. And even then it's just a support unit and will get stomped by "real" TDs. Investing all your resources into that is hardly worhth it.

The OKW Panther compensates by coming out earlier, having a better rate of fire and being able to fight off infantry. The Ost Panther can't do that.

I love when people say that coh2 is a step backwards, tell me how plz, i would love to read a good explanation about that topic

First thing: I voted Coh2 for the better graphics. As for the rest I voted Coh1. Some things are better in Coh2 which however aren't as significant as to consider the entire game an improvement.

Things Coh2 does better:

- Capping mechanics lead to more intense matches since the unit can fight while capping.
- Inclusion of the Soviet Army leading to more diversity in gameplay (1 more faction).
- Cosmetic skins for your vehicles.
- Truesight mechanics.


Opposed to that we have many considerable flaws in Coh2, such as:

- Entirely useless tech tiers (Ostheer T4).
- Brace. Emplacements were a bad experience in Coh1 for many players. Not only did they reintroduce the concept but added insult to injury by cheesy brace and autoreepair mechanics.
- Commanders are worse in Coh2. They lack a theme. In Coh1 you went "Scorched Earth" and played accordingly with area denial and artillery. In Coh2 you have some random stuff thrown together leading to perversions such as "Jäger Armor" having Stukas but also anti tank. I could name you all Coh1 docs but only a handfull of the Coh2 docs. For me they are "that one doc with the Guards and ISU-152", rather than being able to remember their name.
- Bulletins and money milking with dlcs.
- Blatant design flaws such as the Tiger Ace currently punishing you for keeping the unit intact.


--> All in all this makes Coh1 way superior.

The probelm could be solved in two manners:

1) Ostheer Panther gets OKW Panther stats (better accuracy on the move, slightly faster reload, better MGs).

or

2) A total redesign of the Panther.

The latter might be even more adequate. Since the Panther is flawed by design anyways. It's supposed to dive in on the enemy, usually going into the enemies territory. It has to close in versus tank destroyers because of the lower range and it has to chase medium tanks because of its low rate of fire. Only if you follow the mediums for a while you can hope to score a kill.

However at the same time it is meant to keep the frontal armor at the enemy or it dies as fast as any medium tank. But as pointed out above you are supposed to extend and expose your rear armor to have an impact.

This means the Panther can't be used efficiently. It either risks being killed off immediately or just deliver one or two shots. "Effective" Panther play atm means that you deliver some shots only damaging a vehicle to then run away and repeat until you have vet. This is highly unsatisfying for an end of tech unit.

What the Ostheer Panther needs is the OKW Panthers stats.

With the ability to fight off infantry somewhat reliable due to better MGs I think it can farm enough vet to become relevant soon enough.