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23 Sep 2019, 09:06 AM
#21
avatar of t_d_kay

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Yeah let's give the unit that almost ignores cover, has 2 different grenades, and has great DPS at all ranges even more DPS and make it able to beat dedicated CQC infantry.

Nobody even upgrade STGs for Ober, it's pointless. Just get LMG34 and rape allied infantry at long-medium range.
And since when are they great at all ranges? OKW lack elite CQC infantry in late game.
23 Sep 2019, 09:51 AM
#22
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 09:06 AMt_d_kay

Nobody even upgrade STGs for Ober, it's pointless. Just get LMG34 and rape allied infantry at long-medium range.

4v4 4 digit rank? Your description sounds like that's what you play at mostly, because its being used in competitive games, where skill does matter.

And since when are they great at all ranges? OKW lack elite CQC infantry in late game.

Since they deal a lot of damage at all ranges and ignore partially cover accuracy penalty, since they deal about 4x the damage PGs do at long range while doing about the same at close range, but not losing much dps due to it being concentrated around 2 weapons instead of 4.
That means, since OKW was released.

Also, OKW does not need any elite CQC infantry, you need CQC inf, pick MP40 volks.

Would you feel better if we halved the DPS of IR STGs and gave them to all 4 models?
23 Sep 2019, 10:07 AM
#23
avatar of Onimusha

Posts: 149

I would pick stg obers instead of shocks every game, i do not remember infantry squad that deals so high dps from mid/long range and that shreds you at close range (maybe actual fallschims, don't know). You simply can't close the distance in no way with stg obers. In they majority of games players will keep choosing lmg's upgrade instead of a stronger cqc obers squad. Long distance dps (on elite squads) is the best choice on most maps.
23 Sep 2019, 10:22 AM
#24
avatar of Vipper

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I would pick stg obers instead of shocks every game, i do not remember infantry squad that deals so high dps from mid/long range and that shreds you at close range (maybe actual fallschims, don't know). You simply can't close the distance in no way with stg obers. In they majority of games players will keep choosing lmg's upgrade instead of a stronger cqc obers squad. Long distance dps (on elite squads) is the best choice on most maps.

That is inaccurate according to test Shocks troops charged STG Ober in open and won 10 out of 10 times.
23 Sep 2019, 10:25 AM
#25
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 10:22 AMVipper

That is inaccurate according to test Shocks troops charged STG Ober in open and won 10 out of 10 times.

How did remaining 20 allied infantry units, including other allied factions fared?
23 Sep 2019, 10:28 AM
#26
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 10:22 AMVipper

That is inaccurate according to test Shocks troops charged STG Ober in open and won 10 out of 10 times.


You can’t test this engagement and pretend it’s the norm. Obers have a nuke nade and a WP nade, while Shocks have a grenade and smoke grenade, so positioning and grenade use would determine the winner of this matchup.
23 Sep 2019, 10:29 AM
#27
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 10:25 AMKatitof

How did remaining 20 allied infantry units, including other allied factions fared?

I guess the same way all axis infatry would fare if they charged shock troops in the open and move to close range.



You can’t test this engagement and pretend it’s the norm. Obers have a nuke nade and a WP nade, while Shocks have a grenade and smoke grenade, so positioning and grenade use would determine the winner of this matchup.

WP is vet 1.

The claim is simply inaccurate.
23 Sep 2019, 10:48 AM
#28
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 10:29 AMVipper

I guess the same way all axis infatry would fare if they charged shock troops in the open and move to close range.

So there is a single squad in the game that's able to contest STG obers at CQC scenario and that single squad happens to be THE frontal attack AI specialist and due to scaling, veted obers will 100% win against that vetted squad as well due to suppression on demand.

Seems like a definitive proof that StG obers lack absolutely nothing.
23 Sep 2019, 10:51 AM
#29
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 10:48 AMKatitof

So there is a single squad in the game that's able to contest STG obers at CQC scenario and that single squad happens to be THE frontal attack AI specialist.

Seems like a definitive proof that StG obers lack absolutely nothing.

Not really. Many units can beat in many ranges. Shocks are simply able to waltz thru open ground and beat 10 out 10 times. You can contact your own test and report the results.

I simply pointed out an inaccurate claims. The rest is you creating your own scenarios and coming to your own biased conclusions.

Now BB and have a nice day.
23 Sep 2019, 11:08 AM
#30
avatar of Katitof

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I just used your quote as a backup to address the op.
But I guess you've simply lost the context here, focusing on a post instead of a thread. Don't worry, we're all used to it by now.

And have a nice day as well!
23 Sep 2019, 11:09 AM
#31
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All threads are about people telling that they're inaccurate about some stat, some english schemantic, or wrong something else completely off-topic.

Nobody is allowed to post without being told off about being wrong or even being reported. It is frustrating!!

What about discussing the topic and do cool stuff fun to read instead of a whole thread of "you're inaccurate"???

Have a nice day! BB 4 now!
23 Sep 2019, 11:13 AM
#32
avatar of The Spycrab

Posts: 39

Obers would become better panzergrens if 2 regular STGs are added to their IRSTG upgrade, with better accuracy and lower received accuracy and not to mention 5 vet levels
23 Sep 2019, 11:21 AM
#33
avatar of Vipper

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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 11:08 AMKatitof
I just used your quote as a backup to address the op.
But I guess you've simply lost the context here, focusing on a post instead of a thread. Don't worry, we're all used to it by now.

And have a nice day as well!

Once more do not quote me if what you are gone to post is irrelevant to my post. If you want to address the op address the op without quoting me.

You are the one who has completely lost context.

It has been claim that:
"You simply can't close the distance in no way with stg obers"

I have simply pointed that this claim is inaccurate, proven by ingame tests. The rest is you (and your advocate) going in you little crusade, trying once more with no luck, to prove me wrong.

Now pls stop derailing yet another thread.
23 Sep 2019, 11:32 AM
#34
avatar of WAAAGH2000

Posts: 730

IRstg is powerful weapon,but as a commander ability is very useless……
23 Sep 2019, 11:34 AM
#35
avatar of t_d_kay

Posts: 9

You don't get a lot of options for late game OKW CQC unit, it's either Falls or Sturmpioneers (MP40 Volks only work against unupgraded infantry or PPSH Cons).
If STG Obers stay like this then I'd just get Falls or blob Sturmpioneers. Just wanted more options to deal with charging allied infantry that's all.
23 Sep 2019, 11:36 AM
#36
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 11:34 AMt_d_kay
You don't get a lot of options for late game OKW CQC unit, it's either Falls or Sturmpioneers (MP40 Volks only work against unupgraded infantry or PPSH Cons).
If STG Obers stay like this then I'd just get Falls or blob Sturmpioneers. Just wanted more options to deal with charging allied infantry that's all.

That's why you have HMG.
And it was already established that there is only a single allied squad in game that IR STGs don't rape when it charges them, so you already have that option.

Plus, falls are getting nerfed, so use them while it lasts.
23 Sep 2019, 11:37 AM
#37
avatar of t_d_kay

Posts: 9

Oh and nerf their long range DPS with STGs.
I just want them to be better at medium-close range with the upgrade.
23 Sep 2019, 11:41 AM
#38
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 11:36 AMKatitof

That's why you have HMG.
And it was already established that there is only a single allied squad in game that IR STGs don't rape when it charges them, so you already have that option.

Plus, falls are getting nerfed, so use them while it lasts.

My MG spends more time healing and reinforcing rather than being out there suppressing and holding ground, thanks to various kinds of arty and massed blobs.
23 Sep 2019, 11:53 AM
#39
avatar of Vipper

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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 11:36 AMKatitof

That's why you have HMG.
And it was already established that there is only a single allied squad in game that IR STGs don't rape when it charges them, so you already have that option.

Plus, falls are getting nerfed, so use them while it lasts.

No that is incorrect what has been established by in game test is that Shock troops "rape" STgs Obers even when charging thru open ground.

If you want to make such claims I suggest you do the test the provide the stats.

In addition I am not sure what the argument here is I am pretty sure that units like Ranges, smgs Paras and commandos will shred ST44 ober if they attempt to charge thru open ground and move to close range. One is not supposed to charge his CQC units to enemy CQC units thru open ground (Unless that unit is Shock troops and for some strange reason his able to get away with it)

And once more there are plenty of allied squads that beat ST44 ober at many ranges.
23 Sep 2019, 11:54 AM
#40
avatar of Katitof

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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Sep 2019, 11:41 AMt_d_kay

My MG spends more time healing and reinforcing rather than being out there suppressing and holding ground, thanks to various kinds of arty and massed blobs.

If that's the case, I'd reconsider positioning then as its performance is not lacking.
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