I keep seeing the Zis being sent in front of an mg42 or mortar squad and start firing its barrage forcing that unit to retreat. The way its being used like that reminds me of the maxim at the beginning of the game.
Back then you could send it into the fog of war, find a deployed mg42 and manage to suppress it first. That was bad game play and I kind of see a similar thing happening with the Zis where it's being sent solo to take down a deployed support unit.
This makes me wonder what was the developers' original purpose for the barrage ability? Do they consider what I describe above proper and balanced role for this ability?
Zis Barrage is broken !
28 Mar 2019, 13:40 PM
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At least I'm not doing everything in my power to pretend a good unit is bad.
28 Mar 2019, 13:45 PM
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Kudos for someone who uses it that way and it actually works and no points for you for leaving abandoned HMGs without any support somewhere on field.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Mar 2019, 13:47 PM
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Permanently BannedKudos for someone who uses it that way and it actually works and no points for you for leaving abandoned HMGs without any support somewhere on field.
You're biased
Pak cost the same, has the same penetration, isn' superted by terminantors, has 2 squad members less and doesn't have barrage that hardcounters allied team weapon play.
Yet its completely balanced.
When A >> B and B is balanced, then A must be overperforming
At least I'm not doing everything in my power to pretend a good unit is bad.
28 Mar 2019, 13:52 PM
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You're biased
Pak cost the same, has the same penetration, isn' superted by terminantors, has 2 squad members less and doesn't have barrage that hardcounters allied team weapon play.
Yet its completely balanced.
When A >> B and B is balanced, then A must be overperforming
....
PaK has higher penetration and faster rate of fire, grens roflstomp cons, number of entities is irrelevant here, 6 men are soviet faction perk, there isn't need to hardcounter allied team weapon play, because there is no such thing as allied team weapon play after maxim was killed for good.
PaK is much better at dealing with tanks, ZiS can engage AFK infantry.
Before calling someone biased make sure you're not an ignorant noob yourself.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Mar 2019, 14:59 PM
#5
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PaK has higher penetration and faster rate of fire, grens roflstomp cons, number of entities is irrelevant here, 6 men are soviet faction perk, there isn't need to hardcounter allied team weapon play, because there is no such thing as allied team weapon play after maxim was killed for good.
PaK is much better at dealing with tanks, ZiS can engage AFK infantry.
Before calling someone biased make sure you're not an ignorant noob yourself.
+1 (except for the attitude)
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28 Mar 2019, 15:03 PM
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PaK has higher penetration and faster rate of fire, grens roflstomp cons, number of entities is irrelevant here, 6 men are soviet faction perk, there isn't need to hardcounter allied team weapon play, because there is no such thing as allied team weapon play after maxim was killed for good.
PaK is much better at dealing with tanks, ZiS can engage AFK infantry.
Before calling someone biased make sure you're not an ignorant noob yourself.
Better rate of fire only means it misses more often.
Accuracy is what makes weapons strong
At least I'm not doing everything in my power to pretend a good unit is bad.
28 Mar 2019, 15:08 PM
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Better rate of fire only means it misses more often.
Accuracy is what makes weapons strong
They have the exact same accuracy.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Mar 2019, 15:10 PM
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They have the exact same accuracy.
So in the same time Zis misses misses far less shots than a pak.
You just proved ito yourself.
At least I'm not doing everything in my power to pretend a good unit is bad.
28 Mar 2019, 15:15 PM
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I find your denial of stats and mechanics absolutely amusing.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
28 Mar 2019, 15:37 PM
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Wow reading this hurts.
So according to Exterior Reptile: Unit A has same accuracy but higher ROF as Unit B. Therefore Unit B is better because Unit A misses more often.
200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 IQ
So according to Exterior Reptile: Unit A has same accuracy but higher ROF as Unit B. Therefore Unit B is better because Unit A misses more often.
200000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 IQ
28 Mar 2019, 16:16 PM
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When pointing out logical inconsistencies and/or expressing disagreement, please refrain from flaming the other person.
You have been warned.
You have been warned.
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28 Mar 2019, 17:35 PM
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lol its 60 muni plus risking an AT gun for flanks.
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28 Mar 2019, 19:22 PM
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lol its 60 muni plus risking an AT gun for flanks.
35 Now
Sometime I rather build ZIS than a mortar because its fire faster and more accurate to force enemy MG out of the building.
28 Mar 2019, 19:29 PM
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35 Now
Sometime I rather build ZIS than a mortar because its fire faster and more accurate to force enemy MG out of the building.
+1 the 82mm mortar rarely are able to force off a team weapon. It misses often.
28 Mar 2019, 19:50 PM
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Posts: 206
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PaK has higher penetration and faster rate of fire, grens roflstomp cons, number of entities is irrelevant here, 6 men are soviet faction perk, there isn't need to hardcounter allied team weapon play, because there is no such thing as allied team weapon play after maxim was killed for good.
PaK is much better at dealing with tanks, ZiS can engage AFK infantry.
Before calling someone biased make sure you're not an ignorant noob yourself.
This resumes the topic.
28 Mar 2019, 20:04 PM
#17
Posts: 563
+1 the 82mm mortar rarely are able to force off a team weapon. It misses often.
Zis barrage is also great to just bust houses in general
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28 Mar 2019, 20:12 PM
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When pointing out logical inconsistencies and/or expressing disagreement, please refrain from flaming the other person.
You have been warned.
[OFF-TOPIC]
Just a wild though: Aforementioned causes frustration, which leads to these outbursts on bad moments, which leads to warnings, which leads to bans.
Would it be sensible to use same penalization on apparent use of illogicality for whatever reason; e.x: the case on hand.
Penalizing only the symptoms is easier, I give that, but I don't think it'd be terribly hard to penalize the root problem - too.
28 Mar 2019, 21:38 PM
#19
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Sad part about Zis gun, is when rng hits right and you two shot a vetted mg32 team
28 Mar 2019, 21:40 PM
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So in the same time Zis misses misses far less shots than a pak.
You just proved ito yourself.
What?
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