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yeah it is a light tank destroyer.
And that makes the puma way to expensive for what it is doing.
but maths and logic is not your strong point.
Having decent micro still doesnt make this unit good . its just makes them acceptable
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The puma is without a doubt the most cost ineffective unit in the game but you dont play okw so you do not know anyway.
You never checked correctly because it never was capable of fighting medium tanks. it was only capable of flanking a medium tank.
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1. looking only at cost its not a good way to balance things. technically the okw has significantly inferior support units and relies on stronger front-line units. now the okw has weaker frontline and support units. no snipers and a shitty mg and leigh. As such vg's need to be as strong as rifles or even stronger.
2. i do not use the puma or m10 as AI anyway.
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the Okw doesn't just have stronger front-line unit, they have the best frontline unit. Panther, jpz4, king tiger, and ober are some of the most amazing frontline unit in the game, and okw is no longer crippled by a lowered income. Even factoring in the cost price, it's still a net price decrease for those units.
the days of volks spam is over. Okw need to start using something else. jpz4, luch, stuka, puma, and AAHT still have their old fuel cost from when the OKW's income was crippled and are now effectively cheaper. (AAHT needs a buff, but the other units are great)
OKW should be an aggressive faction that favor strong frontline unit at the expense of their support unit.
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the days of volks spam is over. Okw need to start using something else. jpz4, luch, stuka, puma, and AAHT still have their old fuel cost from when the OKW's income was crippled and are now effectively cheaper. (AAHT needs a buff, but the other units are great)
OKW should be an aggressive faction that favor strong frontline unit at the expense of their support unit.
How is the puma overpriced for its role when it can easily destroy similar priced light vehicles and it can destroy medium armor with good micro and ambush tactics.
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I guess we have a winner of most needed L2P posts this month.
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last part is false you really need to be knuckle head to lose a medium tank to a single puma. 2 will do the job but the jp 4 and p4 does it way better for cost. and as you say its similar priced to other lv's. then compare the puma to the 222 and the aec who can counter vehicles that are more expensive then they themselves are
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Whoops double post
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last part is false you really need to be knuckle head to lose a medium tank to a single puma. 2 will do the job but the jp 4 and p4 does it way better for cost. and as you say its similar priced to other lv's. then compare the puma to the 222 and the aec who can counter vehicles that are more expensive then they themselves are
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The Puma has 50 range and out-ranges every allied vehicle except for the Comet, Pershing, and allied TDs. It also has higher penetration than a Panzer IV and can outrun a Cromwell. You can kill any enemy medium tank with a Puma simply by kiting it.
The AEC, in comparison, has the roughly the same main gun as the Puma, barring its inferior range (40) and penetration (it does have better scatter/AOE). The AEC also has a better MG and costs 40 manpower and 10 fuel less than the Puma. This price ignores the 150 manpower and 15 fuel teching cost required to unlock the AEC.
I rather doubt that the AEC "can counter vehicles that are more expensive then they themselves are" much better than the Puma.
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I agree the jp4 and the p4 are better counters to mediums than the puma but the puma can still kill tanks. I dont have the replays but I assure you ive killed plenty of mediums with a single puma and not 2.
As for the other light vehicles countering vehicles that are more expensive that is precisely my point, a 222 can kill a t70 if it catches it on the flank but it cant kill a medium like a puma can and an aec and stuart can stun mediums but they cant finish them off like the puma which also can jam turrets.
However I will agree that the AAHT needs reworking and a price decrease because it is very risky for such a high price and clunky performance.
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That bolded part? get that shit out of here. the okw doesnt need the mech truck either so by comparison i can say that the okw puma cost 610 mp and 125 fuel?
Also you are looking at the close range stats not the far range stats because the penetration is less then 50 % at long range and i cannot hit bbroad side of a barn.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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I can literally see little reason why anybody would ever field a FlakHT, when they have access to MG34.
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The Puma has 50 range and out-ranges every allied vehicle except for the Comet, Pershing, and allied TDs.
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actually the puma out range the pershing by 5 meters
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Last 3 times i played against you you lost all 3 matches im not really impressed with your assessments
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Last 3 times i played against you you lost all 3 matches im not really impressed with your assessments
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His attitude somewhat reminds me of Alladdin.
If that's true you really shut up that guy, congratulations. I don't understand him, besides bias he has nothing valuable to bring into discussion, always simply making fun and saying that whoever dares to state a problem that axis has he must just L2P.
True, it has a small chance to penetrate the m26.
Not as if this would really help Puma in any way.
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That bolded part? get that shit out of here. the okw doesnt need the mech truck either so by comparison i can say that the okw puma cost 610 mp and 125 fuel? Also you are looking at the close range stats not the long range stats because the penetration is less then 50 % at long range and it cannot hit broad side of a barn.
actually the puma out range the pershing by 5 meters
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