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still has the thompson +4 rifles, so thats not too shabby.
and he can become a makeshift ranger later; 1 zook 1 thompon and a bar
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If I'm not mistaken the Captain squad is composed of 2 rifles, 2 RE, and the Captain with a heavily nerfed Thompson. The captain Thompson doesn't have the same weapon profile as a para or ranger Thompson because the Captain used to be too good at close combat.
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wtf at those side tech costs you already pay for trucks thats enough and the actual tier costs are also high ..???? do usf have any penalty for free repair crew with each tank or soviets have extra durable team weapons and can act as arty peice then why the fuck okw gets screwed over.?? they dont eve nget caches mortar or sniper for fuck sake and every units is overpriced and get those 5 vet are just showpiece either you dont reach even vet 3 or the vet 5 units just get destoryed by allied vet 3 units......SO WHY THE FUCK IS OKW = much worse ostheer...???
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OKW = dead faction. It's pretty much an inferior version of Wehr with worse doctrines, worse AT gun and no panzerschreks.
Lelic
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Pretty sure his REs uses the same Garands as Riflemen. Also pretty sure his Thompson is in fact worse the Para/Ranger ones, but it ain't too bad. It's still better than an AG MP40
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Iunno man, On Me! and Supervise are pretty good abilities which have no resource cost. I'd still prefer him over his subordinate "Might as well be Rifle clone but with free BAR and no AT nades". Gawwwwwwddddddd the LT's so boring.
Had a look at the stats and was surprised to discover you're right. The REs use rifleman Garands and the Captain Thompson only does ~4 dps less than a para Thompson at close range so the squad will definitely have some decent combat value. That said I'm not sure I'd ever want to trade Rifle vet, smoke/nades, and an AT snare for Captain vet, On Me!, and slightly cheaper zooks.
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Had a look at the stats and was surprised to discover you're right. The REs use rifleman Garands and the Captain Thompson only does ~4 dps less than a para Thompson at close range so the squad will definitely have some decent combat value. That said I'm not sure I'd ever want to trade Rifle vet, smoke/nades, and an AT snare for Captain vet, On Me!, and slightly cheaper zooks.
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Iunno man, On Me! and Supervise are pretty good abilities which have no resource cost. I'd still prefer him over his subordinate "Might as well be Rifle clone but with free BAR and no AT nades". Gawwwwwwddddddd the LT's so boring.
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Sorry Brad if it's not your fault.
I'm pretty salty that the game balance feels like a community mod (because it is one) and not a professionally balanced game. It's like Riot games took over the balance.
+1
WTF is this? Miragefla unable to ignite demand for his mod even by paying people in competitions, so he's talked his way into changing the whole game structure.
Why miragefla? I doubt 99% of CoH players have even heard of this guy. Hopefully this is the last time Relic does Community "Balance". It's one thing to take suggestions from community but to balance the game on some guy's mod is frankly retarded.
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1. USF rifle blobs. The amount of AI power these can bring is absolutely insane. They need to be brought at least closer to 'in-line'.
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Interested as to how useless the Volks STG will be.
It becomes a long range unit that sucks at long range, a short range unit that sucks at short range, and a mid range unit that still isn't that good at mid range. All for the price of extra ammo to be spent.
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Then the medic truck....
Ost pays - 150 mp, 60 ammo (Medical bunker)
US pays - 250 MP, 10 fuel (Movable)
UK pays - 60 ammo (Medical supply on infantry)
USSR pays - 250mp (HQ upgrade)
OKW - 100mp + 15 fuel (For truck) + 200 mp + 25 fuel (tech up) + 100 mp + 15 fuel (medics) for a total of 400mp, 55 fuel. Later than all other medic options which are tier 1.
BALANCED ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The reason they added the higher veterancy bonuses was to counteract USF having a high MP bleed later in the game from all the Riflemen not fighting effectively enough, and I would think it would be far better to just reduce their reinforcement cost with vet without instead of the current RA bonuses making them super tough as we all know instead.
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The additions don't seem... that bad?
SU85 is a bit better, USF finally gets some early-game indirect fire, Ost gets sandbags (and flamer HT isn't a "lose 120muni" button anymore), OKW faust is preemptively fixed... Patch seems to be decent?
Still, things which MUST be addressed:
1. USF rifle blobs. The amount of AI power these can bring is absolutely insane. They need to be brought at least closer to 'in-line'.
2. UKF bofors 'barrage' ability. It hard-counters what is supposed to be a hard counter (AT gun). It needs to go, or get a range nerf so that it can't take out max-range AT guns.
3. UKF Engineers 'half price' vet 3. Prices should never change with vet.
4. OKW FLaK. It gets destroyed by a single shot.
Other than those changes, I'm actually looking forward to testing this out. The OKW changes will be interesting (not sure if good or bad...), but the rest seem to be quite good.
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It's not just the veterancy bonuses; it's that they have those incredibly high bonuses AND can get a ton of AI upgrades. If they were limited to one AI upgrade, it probably wouldn't be a problem. But once late game rolls around you see multiple Vet 3 Dual BAR squads roaming around (yes, even in a close game) wrecking everything.
On top of that due to their large squad size and relatively low reinforce cost, most of the usual counters don't really work. Snipers don't fire fast enough (6 man squads), mortars won't get a wipe since they're too spread out (6 man squad), MGs need a lot of micro/support (smoke), and even vet 3 grens w/ LMGs don't trade well (even at range), despite having a higher base AND reinforce cost while also being having 2 less models.
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Better get these spios to vet1 and use med crates.
Its not like you'll need all that muni for shrecks or anything
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So you are telling me other factions can heal easily, with 0 micro at all by leaving a bunker, HQ, unit/ activating an ability at base while OKW must either/ or/ and
A) Get Sturmpio to tier I
B) Continuously bleed ammo to heal
C) Face "soft" tech restrictions to access healing (Fuel is limited :/)
D) Pay significantly more for the same healing
E) Have healing arrive later than every single faction
Yeah, no, will not agree with you here.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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So you are telling me other factions can heal easily, with 0 micro at all by leaving a bunker, HQ, unit/ activating an ability at base while OKW must either/ or/ and
A) Get Sturmpio to tier I
B) Continuously bleed ammo to heal
C) Face "soft" tech restrictions to access healing (Fuel is limited :/)
D) Pay significantly more for the same healing
E) Have healing arrive later than every single faction
Yeah, no, will not agree with you here.
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