Hey, yuri. That was the whole point actually
Ja Helmut, but that was not the point noh
How can you not have a Puma or P4 by 9 CPs?Don't derail; KV8 and IS2 in the same DOC is broken and specially if you can call in more than 1 KV8s.
KV8 and KV1 excluded from 1-on the field heavy limit?
7 Oct 2015, 18:19 PM
#41
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7 Oct 2015, 20:13 PM
#42
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It shouldn't be limited as it isn't super heavy but it needs a small nerf in DPS. Watch OCF many players won with 3+ KV-8 and Zis wall. They would creep forward with KV-8s wiping pack guns in a second and any Stug or P-4 were hard countered by Zis guns. Throw in incendiary barrage on top of the Pak's for good measure and it was ridiculous. It's not too much to say axis shouldn't be able to counter KV-8 tanks with one Pak but they also shouldn't be dead before even getting to fire a second shot assuming KV-8 charges straight on which it often did on middle of Kolodney Ferma. A little less DPS would require a SU player to actually flank or use smoke in order to counter a couple Pak's where as Now they can just drive straight to them and flame them into the dirt while taking little damage.
7 Oct 2015, 22:25 PM
#43
Posts: 143
It shouldn't be limited as it isn't super heavy but it needs a small nerf in DPS.Nah I disagree, keep the current stats but put a limit. It should still be able to push back shrek blobs and discourage PaK walling.
7 Oct 2015, 23:21 PM
#44
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Zero point restricting KV8 to one. Something like an Ostwind is good vs infantry so when you get another one you can kill even more infantry. Just one KV8 is already insanely good vs infantry, buying another one is just over investment in anti-infantry. As axis I would prefer my tanks vs 2 KV8s than vs KV8 and something else like a SU85.
8 Oct 2015, 02:43 AM
#45
1 Posts: 135
I don't understand the reasoning behind limiting the KV8 either. Flame tanks are over-performing this patch and Relic already mentioned they are going to be tweaking/nerfing them.
I guess the argument can be made for the KV 1/2 to be limited, but that point is really irrelevant unless they are buffed to proper heavy tanks.
I guess the argument can be made for the KV 1/2 to be limited, but that point is really irrelevant unless they are buffed to proper heavy tanks.
8 Oct 2015, 04:55 AM
#46
1 Posts: 440
Hey, yuri. That was the whole point actually
Don't derail; KV8 and IS2 in the same DOC is broken and specially if you can call in more than 1 KV8s.
The point was that, if your opponant can spend 500 ful and 1500 MP on three tanks, you have ALREADY lost the game. You have just been outplayed, so become better. There are more pressing balance issues
8 Oct 2015, 05:02 AM
#47
8 Posts: 2470
The point was that, if your opponant can spend 500 ful and 1500 MP on three tanks, you have ALREADY lost the game. You have just been outplayed, so become better. There are more pressing balance issues
eh, technically it could just be a long game. with that said, you should have roughly the same resources to spend on whatever you want/need (this means counters).
8 Oct 2015, 05:43 AM
#48
1 Posts: 440
eh, technically it could just be a long game. with that said, you should have roughly the same resources to spend on whatever you want/need (this means counters).
Yeah, but he made it sound as if he has no counters, so its obvious that he got steamrolled.
8 Oct 2015, 09:18 AM
#49
Posts: 143
And that, gentelmen, is how you derail a thread and avoid the main arguments/
You have just been outplayed, so become better.
KV8 and IS2 in the same DOC is broken and specially if you can call in more than 1 KV8s.
8 Oct 2015, 09:33 AM
#50
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Indeed gotta apologize for calling the KV1 a heavy. But the KV8 is still an OKW eater beast and should be limited. And yeah 9CP is way too early. Even 10 or 11 would be better.
@The guy who said nerf it instead of delay/limit. I disagree with that, it is finally usefull, but 2 of them escorting an IS2 is a little bit stupid and should be changed.
How about we make it hit the field at the same time as KT or JT? Should please the OKW players no?
8 Oct 2015, 09:34 AM
#51
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And that, gentelmen, is how you derail a thread and avoid the main arguments/
KV8 and IS2 in the same DOC is broken and specially if you can call in more than 1 KV8s.
2x + 
2xUse them, they exist.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
8 Oct 2015, 10:42 AM
#52
Posts: 2807 | Subs: 6
wut? KV-8 and KV-1 are limited to 1? 
9 Oct 2015, 21:12 PM
#53
Posts: 143
Developer response: KV-8 damage reduced from 16 to 10 ( -60%)
Case closed, thank you relic. Best and most sensible tweaking.
Case closed, thank you relic. Best and most sensible tweaking.
9 Oct 2015, 21:30 PM
#54
Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1
Developer response: KV-8 damage reduced from 16 to 10 ( -60%)
Case closed, thank you relic. Best and most sensible tweaking.
-60%? Wtf dude xDDDDDDDDD
9 Oct 2015, 21:33 PM
#55
Posts: 1944 | Subs: 2
Developer response: KV-8 damage reduced from 16 to 10 ( -60%)
Case closed, thank you relic. Best and most sensible tweaking.
Thats not -60% but ok
9 Oct 2015, 21:35 PM
#56
Posts: 143
Care to explain? What is the formula you used to calculate the estimated percentage
Thats not -60% but ok
9 Oct 2015, 21:37 PM
#57
Posts: 1944 | Subs: 2
If it was -60% it would be 16 x .4= 6.4 dmg.
9 Oct 2015, 21:37 PM
#58
Posts: 1384
I don't think any units should be limited to 1 unit cap.
Except for perhaps very unique units like the King Tiger or Tiger Ace. But that's less for balance purposes and more for fluff ones.
What should happen is VP bleed should be fast enough to actually end games before someone can amass an absurd amount of fuel needed to actually build multiple heavy tanks.
Except for perhaps very unique units like the King Tiger or Tiger Ace. But that's less for balance purposes and more for fluff ones.
What should happen is VP bleed should be fast enough to actually end games before someone can amass an absurd amount of fuel needed to actually build multiple heavy tanks.
9 Oct 2015, 21:41 PM
#59
Posts: 143
It's definitely crack.
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