Sure, I know, had just a few such games today, but just because Guard Motor is insanely strong does not mean Shock Rifle is not viable either.
Nothing wrong with off-topic. OKW certainly is in a worse spot than OH now anyways.
What good is the tiger tank?
12 May 2015, 13:37 PM
#81
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12 May 2015, 14:09 PM
#82
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I agree. It needs some more armor or health.
Middle ground would be nice. It's a heavy tank, it shouldn't have to be so scared to move ever so slightly away from its friends.
Oh, Im not scared of IS2, ZiS or T34/85, none Tiger should be. You have enough armor and health to get out when troubles are coming.
On the other hand, I'm not scared of Tiger when using IS2.
But Im scared when I face 2 ZiS and IS2, just like IS2 is scared when faces Tiger with 2 Paks.
12 May 2015, 14:36 PM
#83
Posts: 1705
Have you tried making a plan to take it out and not just a-move?
Have u ever thought why a lategame heavy tank has sunk so low its incapable of operating on its own.And i'm not talking abt solo charges or a-move.Can't even defend a place on its own without pak support.
12 May 2015, 14:43 PM
#84
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A lot of this match up depends on how one manages the engagement and which Tiger doctrine they chose (and don't mention Armoured Assault for the Soviets, it's not exactly got the same hitting power as Shock Rifle).
If you're brazenly charging either vehicle you're doing it wrong, if you have no support, you'll lose, etc etc I don't think we need a lecture, but as some others here are saying, let's not just assume there is no context for this fight. In a straight up fight more will eb down to RNG, but let's face it no one in their right mind would not support their super tank. A tank with support is tank that's hanging around longer than one without.
If you're brazenly charging either vehicle you're doing it wrong, if you have no support, you'll lose, etc etc I don't think we need a lecture, but as some others here are saying, let's not just assume there is no context for this fight. In a straight up fight more will eb down to RNG, but let's face it no one in their right mind would not support their super tank. A tank with support is tank that's hanging around longer than one without.
The internal battery has run dry, the game can now be played. However, clock based events will no longer occur.
12 May 2015, 14:43 PM
#85
Posts: 117
Have u ever thought why a lategame heavy tank has sunk so low its incapable of operating on its own.And i'm not talking abt solo charges or a-move.Can't even defend a place on its own without pak support.
I tend to use panthers now a days as they are simply better at dealing with enemy armor and quick enough to maneuver around. I use tigers as AI.
12 May 2015, 14:44 PM
#86
Posts: 1705
Ostheerlitz is one of these people who worship their delusions regardless of actual state of balance.
What is the actual state of balance?
Is is-2 not the most abused tank in the game atm.
Are soviets not the strongest faction by far who can ignore mistake after mistake and come back atm?U ignore these and call me deluded?
Ignoring this shititof continues his farcical tirade as usual.
12 May 2015, 14:50 PM
#87
Posts: 1705
And yes, the PIV is bad vs gaurd motor, but it's alright againts the IS-2. Tiger is of course better.
No point bothering with you after this.
12 May 2015, 14:51 PM
#88
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Id rather see IS2 getting nerfed. Its not funny anymore.
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b4 and soviet FHQ enthusiast
fan of the illustrious black prince
12 May 2015, 14:53 PM
#89
Posts: 273
Simply dont use it then... I found many reasons to get it. And people do, too. I wont even write them down since this thread is idiotic.. this answer is enough
12 May 2015, 20:24 PM
#90
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Permanently BannedI will NEVER understand the miNdset of a player that KNOWS call-in spam is coming, fails to prepare for it, loses, thenn comes to the forums to cry.
IF U SEE HE WENT FOR IS2 OR 85'S. GET DOUBLE PAKS AND PLANT SOME GOD DAMN MINES.
IF U SEE HE WENT FOR IS2 OR 85'S. GET DOUBLE PAKS AND PLANT SOME GOD DAMN MINES.
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
12 May 2015, 20:24 PM
#91
Posts: 1484
While I am using the Tiger, I am more intimidated from 1+ Jacksons than IS2. I usually bank on IS2s terrible ROF(or accuracy?) when I am engaging it 1 v 1.
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12 May 2015, 20:42 PM
#92
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Id rather see IS2 getting nerfed. Its not funny anymore.
Indeed. The tiger is in a good place at the moment for its cost. It's lethal vs infantry and is good against tanks, but not to the point where can no longer engage it effectively with medium armor (if we leave the fact that the tiger does not require tech out of the equation).
The IS-2 on the other hand, while not being all that more lethal than the tiger, does fare too well against enemy medium tanks and non-heavy AT options such as pumas and rackettenwerfers.
12 May 2015, 20:47 PM
#93
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I didn't really think the IS-2 was a problem before the infantry bunching. It really was pretty poor against infantry in return for the armour. Infantry bunching however made it from "Doesn't hit too often and slowly, probably will kill a few guys when it does" to "Doesn't hit too often and slowly, but probably wipes when it does" which is definitely quite a change in realistic effectiveness.
'Course the Tiger's wiping left and right too, but doesn't make the IS-2 just right. It's dumb in both cases.
'Course the Tiger's wiping left and right too, but doesn't make the IS-2 just right. It's dumb in both cases.
12 May 2015, 20:47 PM
#94
Posts: 1653
My problem when playing with a Tiger is not the IS-2 or the T34 but the mark target. With this ability a tiger will die from 5 shots from T34/85 and can#t even fight back because its turret turns so god damn slow.
It´s true that the turret turns slow, but that´s why you´ve to do the same thing as they did in WW2. Turn the tank, so your turret will be atleast 200% faster in position. When I turn my tank to the side which my turret is facing I can shoot them within 2 seconds (not calculation any reload timer)
13 May 2015, 05:39 AM
#95
Posts: 710
Tiger is certainly not helpless. This is just example from one game (please provide similar examples from IS2 PoV if you want):
https://youtu.be/xyrcIeY0bLw?t=1077
Seems to penetrate allright.
https://youtu.be/xyrcIeY0bLw?t=1192
That's a bit painful squad wipe?
Those happened when Tiger was around maybe couple of minutes? Point being, this thread makes seem like Tiger is somewhat helpless. It most certainly isn't.
https://youtu.be/xyrcIeY0bLw?t=1077
Seems to penetrate allright.
https://youtu.be/xyrcIeY0bLw?t=1192
That's a bit painful squad wipe?
Those happened when Tiger was around maybe couple of minutes? Point being, this thread makes seem like Tiger is somewhat helpless. It most certainly isn't.
13 May 2015, 06:57 AM
#96
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https://youtu.be/xyrcIeY0bLw?t=1077
Seems to penetrate allright.
Against KV8? Wow, I am so impressed.
https://youtu.be/xyrcIeY0bLw?t=1192
That's a bit painful squad wipe?
Squad wipe occurence is alot and I mean alot lower in soviet's case if we compare to any axis faction. So what do these links prove anyway?
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
13 May 2015, 07:01 AM
#97
Posts: 710
Against KV8? Wow, I am so impressed.
Squad wipe occurence is alot and I mean alot lower in soviet's case if we compare to any axis faction. So what do these links prove anyway?
Did you read my conclusion?
This is just one example. I was watching a stream yesterday, it reminded me of this thread -> it doesn't seem so useless.
-EDIT- Like said earlier in this thread, Wehr has a lot of issues - BUT TIGER IS NOT BIGGEST OF THEM
13 May 2015, 07:20 AM
#98
Posts: 1653
Against KV8? Wow, I am so impressed.
Squad wipe occurence is alot and I mean alot lower in soviet's case if we compare to any axis faction. So what do these links prove anyway?
I have to agree with Johnny B on this one.
Although I think the Tiger 1 would have some better survivability and some more power with the following changes:
Armour: stays 300
Pen: 220/200/180 > 240/220/200 (Only to make it more able to penetrate tanks in the long run)
Damage: 160 > 180 (or 200)
HP: 1040 > 1280 (Would love to see it go to 1280, but will never get to that point anymore)
Edit: Fuel from 230 > 250 (Easy accessable for Ostheer)
But that's my opinion. Don't whoop my ass for this
13 May 2015, 07:24 AM
#99
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There is a SINGLE TANK IN WHOLE GAME which Tiger doesn't penetrate reliably.
Sorry, but that is NOT a reason to change anything.
And lol @MendQ changes, maybe 50 range and cost decrease on top of it as well?
Sorry, but that is NOT a reason to change anything.
And lol @MendQ changes, maybe 50 range and cost decrease on top of it as well?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
13 May 2015, 07:27 AM
#100
Posts: 1653
Naah 50 range is vet 2 ability so that's not the point.
Forgot to mention a cost increase. fuel from 230 > 250. Which is easily to manage for Ostheer.
Forgot to mention a cost increase. fuel from 230 > 250. Which is easily to manage for Ostheer.
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