"simply moving backwards destroys that tactic. or some support"
Look you DO know how to Counter Ram! MVGame.
Unless you have vet 1 that's not possible. and even if you do you still need lighting reflexes
Ram
6 Mar 2014, 20:37 PM
#161
Posts: 1130
Unless you have vet 1 that's not possible. and even if you do you still need lighting reflexes
horrida flamma bella
6 Mar 2014, 20:45 PM
#162
Posts: 17891 | Subs: 8
Unless you have vet 1 that's not possible. and even if you do you still need lighting reflexes
I've seen tigers with no blitz backing off successfuly from ram.
"Hey look! A T34! I better reverse a bit to be in line with grens!".
No rocket science, no lightning reflexes, common sense and basic micro.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
6 Mar 2014, 21:42 PM
#163
Posts: 134
Unless you have vet 1 that's not possible. and even if you do you still need lighting reflexes
So you're saying that a sov player is able to back his is2 away from p4s coming to circle it, yet a German player is incapable of doing the exact same thing with his tigers/panthers for an incoming ram?? Do you even read what it is that you're typing? This is insane lol
I suggest you spend a week and use all of your forum trolling time to practice microing and you'll probably never get rammed again making your entire forum trolling campaign unnecessary in the first place. So it's a win win! You learn to beat ram and you can also make all of our brains stop bleeding from reading your posts and trying to comprehend them
Oh how I do like a win win situation!!!
6 Mar 2014, 22:53 PM
#164
Posts: 194
There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.
6 Mar 2014, 22:54 PM
#165
Posts: 138
"simply moving backwards destroys that tactic. or some support"
Look you DO know how to Counter Ram! MVGame.
First time I've actually laughed out loud whilst reading this thread...
The rest of the time I just sigh in disbelief at the ridiculous, self-contradicting arguments and points Jaigen and his followers keep coming up with.
6 Mar 2014, 22:54 PM
#166
Posts: 1130
I've seen tigers with no blitz backing off successfuly from ram.
"Hey look! A T34! I better reverse a bit to be in line with grens!".
No rocket science, no lightning reflexes, common sense and basic micro.
post a view replays. and i want a truckload of the stuff your smoking.
horrida flamma bella
6 Mar 2014, 22:57 PM
#167
Posts: 138
post a view replays. and i want a truckload of the stuff your smoking.
If you spent half as much of the effort you do spamming posts like these with inflammatory "nerf this, nerf that" arguments on actually improving your play and micro, you wouldn't have any reason to rage, cause you'd be able to avoid the situations you complain so adamantly about.
You might even gain a small modicum of credibility cause then people might believe you're not just a fanboy, and that isn't just merely your lack of skill that is letting you down.
6 Mar 2014, 23:01 PM
#168
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.
/Thread
First time I've actually laughed out loud whilst reading this thread...
The rest of the time I just sigh in disbelief at the ridiculous, self-contradicting arguments and points Jaigen and his followers keep coming up with.
I´m surprise people keep answering to the guy.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
6 Mar 2014, 23:12 PM
#169
Posts: 17891 | Subs: 8
post a view replays. and i want a truckload of the stuff your smoking.
Even better, go check ATRs casts and look for my 2v2 cast, exactly that situation occurred there so you can go and look for yourself. That won't pop a bias bubble you've got yourself enveloped with, but at least you will be hit in the face by a brick of hard fact with video evidence, something you are unable to provide yourself to back your silly arguments up.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
6 Mar 2014, 23:45 PM
#170
Posts: 1701
There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.
^That and gg.
PD: Hatter went mad, again lol
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7 Mar 2014, 04:25 AM
#171
Posts: 829
Yet you totally misunderstood the entire point of my example from using ram myself.
Noone is saying you can. Simply that the mechanic of T-34s, in a 1v1 situation, rendering Tigers useless in a diceroll is a really bad mechanic, that itself dosent promote skill.
Goes without saying. That dosent change the mechanic of ram itself, wich you seemed to agree was a bad one just a couple pages ago.
Its a huge difference between pulling of a ram, and a kill. Though I think we both agree that if you saved up for your armys most expensive tank, you will probably be weaker in regards to the rest of you army, compared to the guy who just wasted his cheapest.
Obvioulsy, in the form of enemies exploiting your exposed flanks and outmanouevering you. Prefferably not by the enemy light tank driving into you frontally to render your tank useless.
Not all people of course, but the ones who cant discuss without making assumptions about me, and my "love" for certain unspecified units, obviously are. As you said yourself:you hate ram, yet here you are arguing against me, even though it seems like we agree on most points.
I will answer it with Shazz's comment because it perfectly illustrates the situation:
There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.
On the side note. I write my comments in context, and they should be read and answered as such. Trying to defeat points out of context (one by one) means that one is trying to win argument not argue the point.
7 Mar 2014, 04:35 AM
#172
Posts: 829
What makes you believe that if you spam a cheap generalist tank that you don't deserve to be completely thrashed by a tiger or panther. fact is soviets are currently even worse then the am faction when it comes to easy mode.. spam 2 units and your done no skill required. the fact is so many fanboys among the soviet side are defending is ability gives a clue how ridiculous this ability is.
Games are getting more boring and boring as of late. all you see is con spam with t-34's.
At worst ram decide a game but just worse even if the soviet player plays like an idiot you can capitalize on it. you need crawl with the at support behind a tiger or panther and it allows the soviets to have the time to build adequate AT abilities. if i spam p4's and the is comes out i have no time as the is will simply park itself on my most important points and destroys every p4 send against it.
Oh, sorry. I see where the problem is. You spamm P4's and they get raped by IS2, naturally you think that Tiger should rape t34's the same way?
I agree, I am sure if you spam T34's against Tiger, result will be exactly as you wish for Tiger to perform.
Now the easiest way to overcome this problem is for you to play Soviets, and I am sure Tiger will perform outstandingly, just as good if not better then IS2
You are welcome
7 Mar 2014, 05:57 AM
#173
Posts: 409
Soviets wouldn't be so reliant on Ram if they were able to access T3 and T4 feasibly in the same game.
Can't we just make it cheaper for Soviets to backtech/sidetech later in the game? It'd probably make this shit so much easier to balance because the Reds can actually get their whole tech tree (omg, wtf, no way).
I think I speak for everyone when I say nobody likes the amount of RNG bullshit that comes with Ram ability.
Can't we just make it cheaper for Soviets to backtech/sidetech later in the game? It'd probably make this shit so much easier to balance because the Reds can actually get their whole tech tree (omg, wtf, no way).
I think I speak for everyone when I say nobody likes the amount of RNG bullshit that comes with Ram ability.
7 Mar 2014, 08:48 AM
#174
Posts: 247
I will answer it with Shazz's comment because it perfectly illustrates the situation:
There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.
Something wich we seemed to agree about a couple pages ago. Again, I have no idea how you got this worked upp, but I see no point in arguing for the sake of arguing. We seem to agree about ram for the most part. We could either leave it at that, or you could start bringing up irrelevancies to argue about, like you just did.
On the side note. I write my comments in context, and they should be read and answered as such. Trying to defeat points out of context (one by one) means that one is trying to win argument not argue the point.
FYI: you split those paragraphs up yourself, and I answered them in the order you listed them. You are kind of grasping at straws when you start criticising me for answering your post the way you divided it yourself.
7 Mar 2014, 12:41 PM
#175
Posts: 1130
Soviets wouldn't be so reliant on Ram if they were able to access T3 and T4 feasibly in the same game.
Can't we just make it cheaper for Soviets to backtech/sidetech later in the game? It'd probably make this shit so much easier to balance because the Reds can actually get their whole tech tree (omg, wtf, no way).
I think I speak for everyone when I say nobody likes the amount of RNG bullshit that comes with Ram ability.
Everybody is pissed of with me "just as planned". The best solution this problem is this. a soon as you build tier 3 or 4 the other building gets a 50 fuel reduction. this allows the soviets to rely on both buildings.
horrida flamma bella
7 Mar 2014, 13:55 PM
#176
Posts: 140
Everybody is pissed of with me "just as planned". The best solution this problem is this. a soon as you build tier 3 or 4 the other building gets a 50 fuel reduction. this allows the soviets to rely on both buildings.
Nah, too complicated. Reduce fuel costs of both T3 and T4, but increase building time.
7 Mar 2014, 14:19 PM
#177
Posts: 1130
Nah, too complicated. Reduce fuel costs of both T3 and T4, but increase building time.
Would lead to rushes. so that's not an option. currently teching is about equal and i like to keep it that way
horrida flamma bella
7 Mar 2014, 14:35 PM
#178
Posts: 134
^That and gg.
PD: Hatter went mad, again lol
I lol'd
7 Mar 2014, 14:38 PM
#179
Posts: 419
"simply moving backwards destroys that tactic. or some support"moving backwards only counters if you are already far and manage to get a premature rammer on the enemy team. you cant out revrse a t34 at ram speed. Nothing Germans have can stop a t34 from ramming unless its already at low health. Not saying ram is super op but it doesnt require any sort of micro to use get close ram. Only thing that can stop a competent rammer is luck and smoke.
Look you DO know how to Counter Ram! MVGame.
7 Mar 2014, 14:45 PM
#180
Posts: 1585 | Subs: 1
There's nothing more that needs to be said here. Ram is a stupid but presently necessary gimmick. Remove ram and give soviets more AT in other areas, either in the form of infantry AT or upgunning the T34. End of story.
+1
Already said, but /thread.
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