Open End Pop cap?

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It always felt weird having to kill off a Vet 3 Squad when one is close to 100 Pop Cap but wants to get another Tank on the field while floating 400 fuel and 2000 Manpower

Why not make it so that the Pop Cap is Open End (I heard that it was limited to 100 due to technical difficulties anyways)so that people can get more than 100 Pop Cap but with the downside of getting less ressources once they exceed 100 (101 popcap = -10% MP/Fuel/Ammo, 111 popcap = -15% ...) This would allow players to get that tank they saved up for without having to kill a unit for no reason while making it not a total nobrainer choice

Alternatively: Maybe give the ability to withdraw troops from the battefield and get some MP + ammo for this (the higher the Vet, the more ammo one gets)?

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

Playing with randoms

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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Its one of the comeback allowing mechanics coh series is famous for, you'll always have a hard cap as default setting.

You're supposed to plan your army composition, not just spam when you can.

Also, there do seem to be withdrawal ability, at least for armor, not sure if its campaign thing or actual feature tho, we'll have to wait for multiplayer test.

25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy

Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.

Good Stuff here

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15 Jul 2021, 11:19 AMKatitof

Its one of the comeback allowing mechanics coh series is famous for, you'll always have a hard cap as default setting.

You're supposed to plan your army composition, not just spam when you can.

But that still could be the same for an Open End Pop cap. You can't just spam what you want when this means getting less ressources

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

Playing with randoms

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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15 Jul 2021, 11:32 AMmr.matrix300

But that still could be the same for an Open End Pop cap. You can't just spam what you want when this means getting less ressources

That still means strong gets stronger and weaker can't catch up.

25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy

Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.

Good Stuff here

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15 Jul 2021, 11:50 AMKatitof

That still means strong gets stronger

So someone who has lots of resources and carefully managed his units through out the game should not be able to get stronger because his enemy who lost the 3rd Sqaud in a row can't catch up any more?

How can anyone see it as good game design that people who haven't lost a single unit in the whole game are forced to send one squad on a suicide mission for no reason (or keep mulitple squads at 25%) just so they can get another unit? It is wasting a unit, it is giving the enemy free EXP, sometimes it might even be giving the enemy free Stuff like LMGs

15 Jul 2021, 11:50 AMKatitof

and weaker can't catch up.

Like I said. Where is the probelm with people not being able to catch up after playing bad? Also this is not entirely true. Player 1 decides to go for Another Tank despite already having 99 pop cap, so Player 2 will get more ressources (assuming he is holding as much points as Player 1) during this time and thus can catch slightly up

People wouldn't be able to amass 200 pop cap armies anyways because by that time the Ressource Drain would become too high so it isn't that much of a change from CoH2 anyways

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

Playing with randoms

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

18 Aug 2020, 04:11 AMCODGUY

I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.

18 Aug 2020, 04:14 AMCODGUY

The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not

2 Jun 2018, 04:21 AMRocket

Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.

29 Jun 2020, 19:21 PMIncendiaryRounds

u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.

12 Aug 2020, 10:02 AMProtos Angelus

Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.

12 Aug 2020, 12:59 PMKatitof

I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you

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Another issue with popcap is late game FPS issues. Too many units = low FPS. Imagine a 4v4 with no pop cap and you will see 1-4 FPS all game long.

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15 Jul 2021, 12:07 PMmr.matrix300

So someone who has lots of resources and carefully managed his units through out the game should not be able to get stronger because his enemy who lost the 3rd Sqaud in a row can't catch up any more?

How can anyone see it as good game design that people who haven't lost a single unit in the whole game are forced to send one squad on a suicide mission for no reason (or keep mulitple squads at 25%) just so they can get another unit? It is wasting a unit, it is giving the enemy free EXP, sometimes it might even be giving the enemy free Stuff like LMGs

Like I said. Where is the probelm with people not being able to catch up after playing bad? Also this is not entirely true. Player 1 decides to go for Another Tank despite already having 99 pop cap, so Player 2 will get more ressources (assuming he is holding as much points as Player 1) during this time and thus can catch slightly up

People wouldn't be able to amass 200 pop cap armies anyways because by that time the Ressource Drain would become too high so it isn't that much of a change from CoH2 anyways

That's quite exaggerated. If there is such a huge skill difference that one player loses nothing and the other gets wiped regularly, also the current system will punish that.
The point is that a game that is so heavily based on RNG like CoH needs to have come back mechanics, because some bad engagements are not due to your own fault, but just bad luck.

To your original point though: Where exactly you want to draw that line between allowing a come back and rewarding good play is quite subjective. The 100 POP cap seemed to generally work quite well for CoH2. Allowing higher pop must come as you suggested with higher than linear cost, since these additional units will always be tanks that do not bleed any resources. I think you could implement it with proper testing, but on the other hand there is also not much need to do so if the 100 POP cap works decently well.

For custom games, I'd like an option to remove pop cap and maybe even select different types of cost-scaling. For multiplayer? Maybe rather not, not sure if it is worth the additional effort if the 100 POP cap system could just be tuned instead.