Will they address Panzergrens in the new patch?

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:00 PMSkysTheLimit

Is it in this thread or not?

I'll ask again, why are you talking about penals. Not just as a matter of staying on topic, but pgrens don't have anywhere near the same drawbacks

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:01 PMVipper

And no Penal do not any drawbacks.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:03 PMblvckdream

Penals do not have any drawbacks? Are you serious? They are the infantry unit with the most drawbacks in all of COH2.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:04 PMVipper

feel free to list them

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:01 PMVipper

You are talking about Penal not me.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 10:05 AMVipper

And no Penal do not any drawbacks.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:05 PMblvckdream

- no access to MG
- no access to AT-gun
- no access to indirect fire
- no access to effective AT

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:05 PMblvckdream

- no regular grenade

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:05 PMblvckdream

- no weapon upgrade

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:05 PMblvckdream

- bad scaling

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:09 PMVipper

Those are problems of the building not Penals

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:09 PMVipper

Those are problems of the building not Penals


But the anti building tool that PG do not have.


Its called PTRS


They have good vet bonuses that are superior to Panzerfüsilier up to vet 2 and inline with them at vet 3.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:05 PMblvckdream

- no access to MG
- no access to AT-gun
- no access to indirect fire
- no access to effective AT

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:09 PMVipper

Those are problems of the building not Penals

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:14 PMblvckdream

PTRS is not a weapon upgrade, it's a mediocre sidegrade.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:14 PMblvckdream

Saying all these things are just a problem of the tier building and not Penals themselves is true but I can't build Penals in other tier buildings so what is the point? Penals do have these drawbacks and there is no denying that. Only way to solve them is by going for a doctrine with dhsk/m42. It's simply not possible to get 3 Penals + T2 + Zis/Maxim as you will never have enough MP unless it's a complete noob stomp.

- no access to MG
- no access to AT-gun
- no access to indirect fire
- no access to effective AT

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:09 PMVipper

Those are problems of the building not Penals

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:20 PMElaindil

I am sorry but this just too much

So do we need to work with buildings now?

Why are you purposely acting so dense? Or you really are?



All of these are problems have to do with going Penals. They don't just puff into existence unlike PG that have none of these drawbacks since it was mentioned.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:23 PMVipper

Ok ,
so in your opinion Luch has drawback because when you build it you do not get healing in base?
Pak howitzer under-performs because you do not get a HMG with it?

Once more Penal is cost efficient unit.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:34 PMElaindil

Stick to the topic of Penals and PG without whataboutism and deflecting. Do you consider going penals has none of drawbacks mentioned? Just yes or no will suffice if you don't want to elaborate.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:38 PMVipper

The topic is actually PGs not Penals.

Going T1 has issues because it badly designed. Penal are fine.

A friendly word of advice if you do not like my answers stop asking my opinion.

Going T1 has issues because it badly designed. Penal are fine.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:48 PMElaindil

You derailed the topic to penals since post 5 and we all ran with that because Penals are the closest counterpart to PGs.

I've never said I don't like your opinions. I am just confused sometimes by them and curios to get a clarification. Since you are the most active user pushing axis buffs\allies "reworks" it's only natural you get your opinions challenged or discussed.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:48 PMElaindil

Like I asked a direct question and you answered very ambiguously


I take it going penals does have drawbacks mentioned according to you. Am I correct?

- no access to MG
- no access to AT-gun
- no access to indirect fire
- no access to effective AT

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:01 PMVipper

And no Penal do not have any drawbacks.
(edited)

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:56 PMElaindil

So now that we both confirmed that going Penals actually has drawbacks



Does it mean you changed your mind?

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:23 PMVipper

Ok ,
so in your opinion Luch has drawback because when you build it you do not get healing in base?
Pak howitzer under-performs because you do not get a HMG with it?

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:58 PMVipper

T1 one has drawbacks regardless if you build a single Penal or not.

Jump back to quoted post30 Dec 2020, 19:58 PMVipper

T1 one has drawbacks regardless if you build a single Penal or not.