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M42 pens too often?

18 Apr 2020, 23:08 PM
#1
avatar of SquishyMuffin

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Anyone else think this unit pens tank's frontal armour, particular heavies - a little bit too often? I understand it does little damage per shot but its rof and so dps must be very close or better than a zis gun for the build time+tech+price? Especially vs mediums?

Shouldn't this be a unit great against light vehicles/tanks, decent in a pinch against mediums and your investment stops there essentially against heavies.
18 Apr 2020, 23:50 PM
#2
avatar of Lady Xenarra

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It's 100/80/60 pen for 0-60 distance and 80 damage per shot. Truthfully it is considered a terrible AT gun that is really a last ditch gun.

60/300 [Tiger has 300 armor] is 20% pen of the time but it can't compare to a ZiS which has 180/300 at that distance and full 160 dmg per shot even with ~58% the fire rate. Effective dps would be about 3x M-42 on avg vs a Tiger. Which basically means a Tiger will eat the M-42 gun crew alive.
19 Apr 2020, 04:44 AM
#3
avatar of Serrith

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It's 100/80/60 pen for 0-60 distance and 80 damage per shot. Truthfully it is considered a terrible AT gun that is really a last ditch gun.

60/300 [Tiger has 300 armor] is 20% pen of the time but it can't compare to a ZiS which has 180/300 at that distance and full 160 dmg per shot even with ~58% the fire rate. Effective dps would be about 3x M-42 on avg vs a Tiger. Which basically means a Tiger will eat the M-42 gun crew alive.


So the M-42 base penetration was buffed to 140/100/80 bumped up to 182/130/104 with vet and an additional 20% bonus pen with essentially the first 2 shots out of cammo. Just to keep your books up to date.

That said, with anything heavier than a panzer 4, the M-42 is only a small threat even with the first strike bonus unless you expose your rear armor.

Granted, a skilled player though can utilize the cammo to get the M-42 into unexpected positions.
19 Apr 2020, 10:14 AM
#4
avatar of Lady Xenarra

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jump backJump back to quoted post19 Apr 2020, 04:44 AMSerrith


So the M-42 base penetration was buffed to 140/100/80 bumped up to 182/130/104 with vet and an additional 20% bonus pen with essentially the first 2 shots out of cammo. Just to keep your books up to date.

That said, with anything heavier than a panzer 4, the M-42 is only a small threat even with the first strike bonus unless you expose your rear armor.

Granted, a skilled player though can utilize the cammo to get the M-42 into unexpected positions.


Alright thanks, though I very very very rarely see this unit in 4v4 outside of someone memeing. I suppose yes it could be a problem in 1v1 in the hands of a good player. ZiS is just massively better overall though. Shame COH2db stats stopped getting updated, though it's not like people were funding it afaik....
19 Apr 2020, 14:57 PM
#5
avatar of Hannibal
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One thing to keep in mind though is that the 42mm has faster rate of fire (I think by at least 2 sec shortened, but no hard numbers on that one).
This bumps the DPS up quite a bit and makes it an okay-ish unit against everything it can somewhat reliably penetrate.
19 Apr 2020, 15:27 PM
#6
avatar of Katitof

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One thing to keep in mind though is that the 42mm has faster rate of fire (I think by at least 2 sec shortened, but no hard numbers on that one).
This bumps the DPS up quite a bit and makes it an okay-ish unit against everything it can somewhat reliably penetrate.

Even including the faster RoF, against target it can still pen 100% of the time, it still has lower DPS then ZiS.

It has high "fear factor" tho, because you see a lot of shells coming your way and it makes you back up in situations, where you could just drive straight and circle M-42.
19 Apr 2020, 16:29 PM
#7
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Remember bois, no Ostwind against M-42.
19 Apr 2020, 16:34 PM
#8
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Remember bois, no Ostwind against M-42.
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