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m4AC AT rounds perform worse

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30 Nov 2019, 10:23 AM
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The fire rate is so slow that normal rounds are better to use vs tanks.
Pls fix this!
30 Nov 2019, 10:40 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Nov 2019, 10:23 AMRitter
The fire rate is so slow that normal rounds are better to use vs tanks.
Pls fix this!

Your stat are simply wrong.

HAVP rounds are slower but have allot more penetration, so it depends on the armor of the target.
AP rounds are better vs low armor targets and HVAP are better vs highly armored targets.

Actually the vehicles gets OP vet bonuses and the ROF of the unit is can become borderline broken.
30 Nov 2019, 10:44 AM
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no they perform worse vs high armored tanks too due to the low fire rate. U r that inexperienced? u never us it i bet
30 Nov 2019, 11:19 AM
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...just switch to rainbow-paintball-rounds.

They are the best. Makes yout opponent´s tank appear in seven beautiful colours ranging from red, orange, yellow, green, blue and indigo to violet.


Have a good day <444>3
30 Nov 2019, 11:27 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Nov 2019, 10:44 AMRitter
no they perform worse vs high armored tanks too due to the low fire rate. U r that inexperienced? u never us it i bet

Again, stats say you are wrong.

Calculated the DPS and you will see another story.
30 Nov 2019, 11:48 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Nov 2019, 10:44 AMRitter
no they perform worse vs high armored tanks too due to the low fire rate. U r that inexperienced? u never us it i bet
30 Nov 2019, 12:25 PM
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even the gun rotation is slower, which makes no sense
30 Nov 2019, 12:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Nov 2019, 12:25 PMRitter
even the gun rotation is slower, which makes no sense

Once more Stats say rotation is identical, pls check them before posting.
30 Nov 2019, 12:53 PM
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idc what stats say I used it and it rotates half the speed of normal shell. Obviously u have no deep experience with soviet shenrmans
30 Nov 2019, 12:56 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Nov 2019, 12:53 PMRitter
idc what stats say I used it and it rotates half the speed of normal shell. Obviously u have no deep experience with soviet shenrmans

Open tools they both have 35 rotation speed.
or
Start cheat MOD built 2 and compared speeds

Pls stop making false posts.
30 Nov 2019, 14:10 PM
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M4c HVAP is fine
30 Nov 2019, 15:05 PM
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You know most of those issues disappear with vet? I sure as hell take round that more likely pierces through armour than fire 5 that all bounce. Besides lower rof is to balance it out.
30 Nov 2019, 16:37 PM
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It's the Soviet codguy... Holy hell
30 Nov 2019, 16:43 PM
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do the test and upload video. Ull see normal rounds kill any tank faster!
30 Nov 2019, 16:45 PM
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Codguy's alt account has been busy with the troll threads, I see.
30 Nov 2019, 16:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Nov 2019, 16:43 PMRitter
do the test and upload video. Ull see normal rounds kill any tank faster!

You made a claim that goes contrary to stats, if you want to be taken seriously you have to do the work...

As you can see by the number even vs Ostheer PZIV Hvap is better


sherman_76mm_gun 27.4/25.4/21.0/16.8/12.9
sherman_76mm_hvap_gun 25.2/25.2/23.6/20.6/17.8
30 Nov 2019, 17:54 PM
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whats is these numbers? And u dont take rate of fire into account
30 Nov 2019, 18:02 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Nov 2019, 17:54 PMRitter
whats is these numbers? And u dont take rate of fire into account

DPS stand for Damage Pet Second and it takes into account ROF.

(for more explanation read here:
https://community.companyofheroes.com/discussion/231279/a-guide-to-d-p-s-basics)

Now pls stop writing things that are simply not true.
30 Nov 2019, 18:04 PM
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so it shows that damage differes,,look at the numbers u gave me
sherman_76mm_gun 27.4/25.4/21.0/16.8/12.9
sherman_76mm_hvap_gun 25.2/25.2/23.6/20.6/17.8
30 Nov 2019, 18:07 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Nov 2019, 18:04 PMRitter
so it shows that damage differes,,look at the numbers u gave me
sherman_76mm_gun 27.4/25.4/21.0/16.8/12.9
sherman_76mm_hvap_gun 25.2/25.2/23.6/20.6/17.8

It show that HVAP DOES MORE DAMAGE PER SECOND even vs a medium armored vehicle like the Ostheer PzIV.
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