I managed to get a +7 streak with sov yesterday in a area where i constantly lose with okw.
Sorry to disappoint you, but everything lower then rank 300 in any game mode is newbie level.
You don't play games where skill matter nor you have a meaningful one yourself.
You're still at level where ALL of your balance problems can be solved by learning to play.
However, its very good to know who I tried to reason with. |
Can you pls elaborate on these new theory about Guards a bit more.
Penal are an AI. If they upgrade with PTRS they become an AT unit.
Guards that have better AT weapon than Penals are "NOT" an AT unit because?
Alright, since you struggle to understand that:
AT infantry units give up AI for AT capability.
Guards do not.
They can still engage tanks, but their weapon upgrades and their vet ability is most certainly not suited to fight tanks, it does help, but its not primary reason.
You want guards as powerful AI unit as well as light armor deterrent, not as a primary way to deal with tanks, they will support ATGs and TDs with button, but that's it, if you are actually capable to get enough of them to effectively counter tanks, you might want to cut down on 4v4. |
In which case is it relevant with what weaponn they deal heavy dmg vs Tanks?
Quite so, because PTRS does not deal heavy damage to tanks.
Its blatant lie to say otherwise.
Its reliable, steady DPS, but you need to be on drugs to state its "heavy" damage.
They deal very good dmg vs armor and infantery. Mostly better than dedicatet at infantery or ai infantery. Aweful.
I managed to get a +7 streak with sov yesterday in a area where i constantly lose with okw.
Good for you, report back when you'll leave placement matches.
Why? Did i get through a magical explosion more skill when i pick sov? Or is this faction more better for my playstile?
Go read up what placement games are.
It is totally easy with sov. It is nearly boring to play them because all units are so strong that it doesnt mater when u make failures. It doesnt count. Make a fail move with okw...and you will punished hard for that.
Alright then, what's your playercard in this case?
I want to see your 20-0 streak into top 30.
Its so easy after all you must be there already. |
Right...they have one of the best at Performance....while one of the best ai Performance. They shred german squads while shredd kingtigers.
Ok, now you are snorting warp dust.
Guards are not equipped with dual shrecks. |
Nice that you speak the cost...this 6 volks squad cost more than 4 guards. If you could calc...
And for a AT unit like the ptrs guards...which melt down an AI unit...strange. it is like jackson would have better ai than sturmpanzer.
And yes...the 4nguards won easily.
While they could fight a KT alone too...
Guards are NOT an AT unit.
Guards are full AI unit with AT capabilities as ALL of their weapons are good vs infantry. |
4 guards vet3 with Upgrades against 6 volks with stgs
guess who Won?
You do realize guard PTRS does not hamper their AI(as already mentioned in this very thread) and guards are much, MUCH more expensive elite doctrinal infantry?
What is your point?
Do you put up P4s against IS-2 to prove P4s are weak too? |
so what if the grens wer not upgraded?
Because its unrealistic scenario?
Its like having tommies in late game, but without LMGs or volks without STGs, it simply does not happen, is unrealistic and puts a bias on your "test".
does that mean an AT upgraded penals should still rofl stomp them every time (if penals closed in it would have been worse for the grens). His point was penals with ptrs doesn't have too good AI, clearly they still do.
If you made the test without bias in a scenario that actually is possible(which means grens WILL have LMG), then sure, someone would be rofl stomped, but it wouldn't be grens.
His point still stands, because your test was flawed and biased and proved nothing. |
i just tested in cheat mods, fully vetted penals + ptrs vs fully vetted grens. done 5 tests penals won every time , so do u wna continue talking more out of ur backside about too good ai?
What range?
Against what? Upgrades? Cover? Or impossible and unrealistic scenario with no cover and no LMG/STG?
Did you do actual real and possible thing aka penals closing on stationary LMG grens(as anything else is unrealistic to happen and PTRS penals will lose hard on long range against LMG grens), or vacuum pointless test where you placed two squads next to each other and made them different sides?(let me remind you that soviet penals are not eldar warp spiders and can't get instantly on top of opponent).
And lastly, where is the replay or any other proof? |
Since when does the British MG or any MG not suppress right away? Or according to what source, the patch notes? Because in practice, all MG setup squads suppress the same, regardless of suppression output stats or anything else, as evidenced by how impossible it is to walk a unit out of the cone once it's in there even on the edge.
Actually, its perfectly possible to move out of cone and be unsuppressed when facing brit HMG or maxim or DSHK as all of them have pretty low suppression.
Maxim and DSHK had suppression gutted royally and vickers was never good at it in the first place to the point where people asked for lower DPS, but higher suppression. All 3 of these HMGs are fully capable of killing a model before suppressing the squad.
You are also literally trying to argue the suppression stats do not matter, which is beyond hilarious.
In fact, that's the one thing that doesn't make sense about HMG squads: they all suppress in the same amount of time, but some get to deal heavy damage to the point of being hardcore garrison counters, while others barely deal damage to units on the ground and out of cover.
They don't.
Stop pretending otherwise.
I don't understand how that's supposed to be balanced, but since all HMGs are really used for in the end is suppression, it isn't as huge of an issue as some others. Still, having an MG42 team in a building, then watching a British HMG garrison a nearby building, get shot at while setting up, and easily win the engagement with the MG42 team is just BS, and everyone knows it.
Why? HMG42 got lower cost, lower DPS and higher suppression, while vickers is more expensivce and have higher DPS at all but max range, if it got at least vet1, it will out DPS HMG42 at ALL ranges, unless you use incendiary rounds, in which case HMG42 will always win under any circumstances on otherwise equal terms. |
I keep saying: Volksgrenadiers deal no damage with their default rifles, and that's a problem.
They deal almost exactly the same DPS at stock grens, and no one says grens have bad dps.
Now they also don't deal damage with MP40s.
Ok, so quick recap:
Penals and rifles dealing over 30 DPS is massive DPS at CQC, but volks dealing over 50 is "don't deal damage".
And two StGs do nothing against mid and late game infantry.
Nothing more then increasing DPS at all ranges that is.
And who would have thought that faction with 7 different direct combat infantry units is actually supposed to use more then 1.
So what's the point of Volksgrenadiers? They pose no threat, to anyone, under any circumstances. Not at long range, not at medium range, and sure as hell not at short range.
The same as cons, cheap meatshields for elite infantry, but while cons are durable, volks actually are capable of killing stuff relatively quickly.
All the while every single Allied infantry squad is brutal at either one or several of these ranges and has actual non-doctrinal grenades (speaking of which, the fact that incendiary nades have a timer while Molotovs don't is the biggest FU Relic has ever openly given Axis players).
You do realize that inc nades are still nades, all allied faction needs to pay additional fuel and menpower to get their nades and molotovs have not only shorter range, but much, MUCH longer throw animation, even with new vet bonus? MP40 volks are also getting 10% rec acc and smoke on top of mp40 and regular nade. MP40 are the ONLY weapon upgrade in the whole game that gives rec acc bonus.
Don't pretend that axis is a victim here, its most definitely not if you don't ignore completely reality. |
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