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I think its 6 years too late to suggest changing infantry skins. |
Yeah..lets make the M-42 better than a puppchen( Which cost alot more ) which comes in a faction which has no problems with AI or armor.
Ironically, you are the very first one to say that.
You have issues with puppchen, go make a thread about puppchen.
This one is about commander revamp and M-42 is part of that. |
M42 was THE standard Soviet ATG, like the PaK 40. The Zis 3 was divisional light arty (basically same role as the leFH) - which also had its capacity as ATG, but it was not its primary intended goal.
Well, if you want to go full historical, its still up to debate what ZiS-3 role was.
Only fact that matters is, it performed well as both, light arty and AT gun. |
If the M42 were able to switch shells like a sherman and fire HE rounds with a t70 shell damage profile it would have decent utility throughout the game.
Rate of fire and overall cost would have to be looked at if it had this ability. Just an idea.
M-42 shells were too tiny for HE to be any effective, however small canister shells were indeed used, making it a "long" range "shotgun" of sorts. |
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What other stats? Rate of fire?
There is no other stat, its either pen or RoF and it already shoots pretty fast.
There isn't much to do here, unless you want to give it AI ability instead of pen boost.
We don't need another PTRS. |
It is a doctrinal AT vs light tanks. I suggest you calculate its chance to penetrate a Ostheer PzIV and check its penetration compared to of the 75mm PzIV has.
Then keep in mind that it cost 200 manpower.
Which performs worse then non doctrinal one against these lights, because burst is all that matters if you want to kill armor, unless you get two, in which case you are massively taxed in pop cap and upkeep for inferior unit.
You don't need to be terrified of M-42 so much, no one will be ever getting it unless it'll be able to contest a P4 and to justify popcap and inferiority of a pair of them to single ZiS, it needs to go up against P4.
M-42 even with current buffs is not even worth being a panic button over penal PTRS. |
| eg_pioneer_mp40_smg_mpx4 | 28.28 | 28.28 | 20.94 | 8.49 | 7.16 | 3.12 | 1.52 |
| engineer_m3_grease_gun_mpx5 | 66.26 | 66.26 | 66.26 | 22.56 | 12.02 | 2.83 | 1.06 |
| engineer_sten_9mm_smg_mpx4 | 31.26 | 31.26 | 21.44 | 6.75 | 5.44 | 1.94 | 0.81 |
| engineer_sten_9mm_smg_mpx5 | 39.08 | 39.08 | 26.80 | 8.44 | 6.80 | 2.43 | 1.02 |
| assault_grenadier_mp40x5 | 50.93 | 50.93 | 50.93 | 17.53 | 9.48 | 3.79 | 1.64 |
| commando_sten_mk_vi_silenced_smg_mpx5 | 82.33 | 82.33 | 82.33 | 34.91 | 22.98 | 4.85 | 1.37 |
| partisan_ppsh-41_sub_machine_gun_mpx4 | 42.21 | 42.21 | 42.21 | 10.05 | 6.03 | 2.09 | 0.77 |
| shock_ppsh-41_sub_machine_gun_mpx6 | 85.31 | 85.31 | 85.31 | 12.24 | 5.93 | 2.00 | 0.71 |
| patch shocksx6 | 85.31 | 85.31 | 85.31 | 28.73 | 15.54 | 3.74 | 0.71 |
| Stormtroopersx4 | 74.76 | 74.76 | 74.76 | 28.68 | 9.80 | 2.87 | 0.40 |
Not bored enough to do another one. |
Increase damage per round by 50%, nerf RoF by 50%. Other heavies (Pershing, Tiger, Panther) could follow the same route with bigger alpha damage (200 dmg would be good imo, so 25% dmg buff, -25% RoF nerf).
Near and mid AoE would be needed to be adjusted (down, but remain at equal AoE/dmg levels), with far AoE increased, I think its stronk when it hits and one-shot squad wipes (especially tiny four men squads) is not fun nor fair.
You and the guy you've quoted probably are too young to remember, but that's how it was at the start and it was dreadful, IS-2 couldn't hit literally anything, but when it did once the planets aligned, it was a wipe.
You literally want to make is another KV-2, because KV-2 is at the moment exactly what you're asking for.
So before you go wild, play with KV-2 and think again if you want IS-2 to be that shitty too. |
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@Stark you might want to play with current soviets, not the ones from 2 years ago. Currently soviets are quite muni heavy, they simply have no weapon upgrade for mainline infantry. |
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Regarding M-42, given its low damage and not a singular valid reason to ever get more then 1 due to cost inefficiency vs ZiS-3, could it be given 100-110 far penetration?
That's no threat to any kind of heavy armor, but 2 could actually threaten ost P4.
Another thing to remember is 2 of them cost more then ZiS-3 and have much more pop cap, making them still a worthless choice as even if you have to backtech to T2 for ZiS, you'll open yourself 2 more units if you need them and still will pay only 100 more mp for zis+t2 then a pair of these. |
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