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Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration11 Jun 2019, 10:09 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2019, 09:59 AMLago You'd get a pack of them, they'd be able to counter their weight in tanks no problem, and you couldn't use infantry anti-tank because four SU-76 barrages would fall on your head every time. You could, you just couldn't walk up to them across no cover, facing their front. Unfortunately, the loss of versatility also killed the SU-76 in 1v1. True that. There are still scrubs who attempt false claims that soviets are light on muni use faction, which couldn't be further from the truth - they are faction that doesn't have infantry upgrades, they hog muni like crazy if you attempt to utilize all the abilities, which with time were all made more expensive as well(molos, oorah, aforementioned free abilities now costing muni etc). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson11 Jun 2019, 09:59 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Jun 2019, 09:53 AMLago Then I'd say most units only have category weaknesses. What's the Pak 40 weak to that the 6-pounder isn't? ZiS barrage. 6-pounder isn't going to see other ATG barraging it. What's different between countering a Cromwell and a Sherman? The amount of AT nade capable infantry on their side, allowing you to be much more aggressive vs cromwell. What tools work on the Jagdtiger that don't work on the Elefant? Well, I can name you tool that works on elephant and doesn't work on jagdtiger if you want instead, is that fine for you? Yes? Alright then: Exceptions always exist, because factions aren't mirrored. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson10 Jun 2019, 21:42 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 21:33 PMinsaneHoshi Or it runs over a mine and dies. Or it gets snared and dies. Or its poor moving accuracy causes it to miss a lot. Or it stands at 1 range behind PaK and HMG42 and M36 can do absolutely nothing. We can theorycraft like this until the end of times. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson10 Jun 2019, 21:29 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 20:55 PMVipper According to this logic since Panther is "anti-tank weaponry", comes from higher tier and is more expensive it should dominate M36. Can you guess what happens when panther gets in range? (careful, spoilers ahead) In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson10 Jun 2019, 20:25 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 20:23 PMinsaneHoshi Yup, you are again just making up definitions to suit your needs. Since there is no objective listing of "intended roles" you are just trying to get away with subjective opinion as fact. There is. Its in the units description in game. That yellow-ish text below fluff description. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson10 Jun 2019, 20:09 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 19:55 PMinsaneHoshi Different application = different intended role. Unless of course you admit that "intended role" is just something you are making up, as you did not develop this game and thus actually dont know what the devs "intended" Nope. Go compare soviet M5 Quad and OKW AA HT. Both are AA vehicles that also suppress infantry. They have the same role, but a different application of that role. Same with maxim vs hmg42. Same with LITERALLY ALL MAINLINE INFANTRIES - they ALL have the same role of factions mainline infantry and all have different combat application due to context of their position on the army, but cons aren't less of a mainline then grens just because cons can't a-move. Same with jackson, su-85, firefly and panther - they all are supposed to hardcounter tanks(tank destroyer/hunter role) and they all do it in different ways. There is an intended role of the unit and then there is HOW that unit is supposed to perform that role. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson10 Jun 2019, 19:45 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 18:56 PMinsaneHoshi Ah the mythical "intended role" that you use to wave away at any over/under performing unit. Wasn't the last time I checked, the "intended role" of a m36 was to be a 480 HP glass cannon? Nope. It was still a dedicated tank destroyer that was supposed to engage all armor. It simply had different application then current one(as it couldn't even begin to contest any armor below 40 range). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 19:42 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 18:28 PMelchino7 I don't think you remember well what vcoh2 means. Original design means, the only useful things are the ones which are broken OP and cheesy. You live and die by the meta, cause any deviation is insta 90% lose compare to todays meta, because faction can actually hold on it's own with non doctrinal stuff. Ahh, good times. Soviet didn't had guards by 4th minute? GG, ost won. Ost mismicroed and lost HMG42? GG, soviets won. P4 reached vet2? GG, nothing short of IS-2 stands a chance anymore. Ost managed to hold out until Tiger Ace CP was reached? GG, if there are not at least 3 T34s on field, its automatic loss for soviet. Soviet has a lot of infantry? Ost clicked "current pin plane name" and done, no more infantry on field and whatever enters strafe zone is eradicated. And all the exact same vet1 ability for literally everything. Is it infantry? All have medkits and tripwires. Is it armor? All have capture point or blitz. vcoh2 was a terrible game and coh1 fanboys did had a point when they claimed coh1 superiority, but that, thankfully, changed year later and proceeded to change. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson10 Jun 2019, 18:15 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 16:45 PMinsaneHoshi Thats absolutely untrue. Apart from the fact that late game blobs can delete HMGs with LMGs, HMGs only counter infantry of course in its arc. If you were actually to make the HMG/M36 analogy fair, you would have to give the HMG a 360 degree arc or the m36 a cone like a casemate TD. Thus a 360 degree hmg would be op in the same way a TD that counters everything in its 360 degree arc is OP. You've confused intended role of the unit with how its supposed to do it. Presence of turret doesn't make jackson have different role then SU-85, both are intended to hardcounter everything that isn't an infantry and both are vulnerable to a flank(just one can attempt to defend itself, but it'll still die as P4 shoots faster and panther will outlast it without any effort). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 11:25 AM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 11:21 AMWittmann39 Sorry but what do you mean by "intended"? Axis TDs intended to deal with mediums and allied TDs intended to kill heavies? Exactly. In case you've missed about 50 posts in this thread explaining why, let me briefly get you on board: In: COH2 Balance