Profile of JHeartless

No this is just wait happened last game against it. He wanted to keep me defending my cutoff and keep early pressure up. I am sure his idea was to blob them but I kept ahhnilating them and he had blinders on and kept thinking if he kept pushing he would win.

It was actually hard to deal with at first but I bled him badly.

I use Penals alot. Winning isnt as important to me. I think Penals are fun to use but UP overall on may levels.

But for me its the easiest way to beat Agrens.

In everygame Agrens were spammed I have beaten the crap out of them. Its an easy win at my skill level.

Even 1 Penal and 1 Script will waste two Agrens. Just keep merging the Penal bat to keep its firepower up. This is a guaranteed Vet 2 or vet 1.8.

Pgrens are what I struggle with. Agrens are easy mode.

Scripts are a better choice with Top 100 micro and up. But for us mere mortals all the micro I need to worry about with Penals is merge.

AT least there is something the IS2 does better than the tiger. There is NOTHING a Penal does better than a G43 Gren. Let alone one with Purchased Vet.

Jesus christ what is up with people thinking Assgrens are bad for their cost? Try making 2-3 assgrens without T1 and then straight to T2 for PGs and T2 vehicles, it's the easiest way to play germans really, you just attack move forward with your massive automatic weapon blob and the only thing that can reasonably stop it now that shocks are 2cp is several maxims, and one mistake with those will leave them all decrewed. If you try to use penals against this, you will lose pretty much 100% of the time because the following up scout car/flameht in a couple of minutes will laugh at your penal blob. For that matter even the assgren blob will laugh at penals because they'll have 3 squads for every 2 you field early game.

If you're complaining about how their price makes them hard to use in a balanced build, I guess I can kinda relate, but if anything they're too powerful for their performance when skipping T1 even at 320mp.

Oh and whoever thinks penals can actually beat an LMG gren squad, dream on. You need a flamer or a vet advantage for that to happen, and guess how much vet advantage a 360MP tech-requiring unit has over a 240MP one. Meanwhile with the flamer it's 360MP/60muni (and required tech and a more specialized unit) just to barely beat a 240/60 muni supergeneralist unit.

Your a better player then me for sure but I have a feeling you dont use Penals as much as I do.

I always expect every German player to spam Agrens if they have it equiped. I build Penal Bat as my first unit script second.

I kill the first Agren that goes for my cut off and his second buddy comes right after. Script Merges. Beat the Agren retreat script. Second Penal on its way. Reinforce Script.

Next Agren arrives at my cut off. Retreat Penal. Second Penal destroys Third Agren.

Pgrens arrive. By this time I usually have inflicted heavy damage and have some vet. Upgrade to flamer and mass Penals after the Pgrens.

I really dont have too hard a time beating Agrens at all. But I do have to build Penals to do it and give up T2 and its alot of Micro and a huge investment against the more skilled Pgren spammers.

All the while engi is cutting off their muni.

Granted if I anticpated incorrectly and they dont spam Agrens I am totally hosed.

Due to how SOUNDLY Penals beat Agrens even up close I dont think Agrens are worth 320. All that needs to happen is increase the call in time and problem is solved.

What do you expect to get for 360? Instant squad wipes versus german troops. Like there is not enough of that already. Their long to mid range damage is fine. They can take on G43 grens when in cover and with vet and melt away Assault grens like butter when using a buffer of conscripts inbetween and great for flanking suopport weapons... what more do you want?

Ok so we have a unit that costs

360 MP

Can take on 320 MP Assault Grens

Can take on 240 MP 60 Muni Grens with 6 pop cap that costs 90 MP to fully reinforce if AT range in cover or with Vet DPS at mid is 19ish. At Mid takes about 4 seconds to kill a Penal entity dropping DPS.

They cost 150 MP to fully reinforce or if using merge 100 MP to reinforce and have a 9 pop cap. DPS at mid is 18.87. Takes about 6 seconds to kill a Gren enity with a full squad to drop their DPS. As you can see Penals are going to lose entities first which will snowball them into complete loss.

Pgren DPS at Mid 22.

YEAH nothing wrong there what should we expect?

The problem then is not the panther but the soviet AT. introducing a turreted like kv-85 would solve a lot of problems

Well sure that would always be nice. But they arent hard to deal with in 1v1. They have a critical weakness. They really cant do anything to infantry.

Although I would prefer something like the KV85 or lend lease bazookas etc if team games just scaled like larger 1v1 rather than the land of plenty Panther losses would crush Ost as bad as in 1v1. Which point it would be right around the same as it is there. Not hard to deal with and punished upon loss.