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Even if it wasn't, there's nothing in PQ's theory that states "And also the balancing benchmark is the unit of OST Grenadiers, forever, eternally, because only it is pure and good."

I'd rather use riflemen, personally.

Vipper, just because you think Ost are the ideal benchmark faction doesn't make it true. You can 'explain' it a thousand timea and it is still just your opinion.


More generally, Ost are prefectly playable, but they rely on a couple of extremally good units to keep their gameplay in check.

The MG-42 and PaK are still best in class. They still have early and easy access to fausts and the best grenades going on grens and pgrens. The shreck is still the best handheld AT for securing vehicle kills.

Anybody that complains about the Brum needs to actually use it coupled with panzer tactition to murder AT guns. Its attack ground functionality is almost without compare.

A few units are legitimately lackluster, but they're viable in all games and bring some of the best units in all tiers. 1v1 is their weakest showing due to the nature of infantry play in it, but whatcha gonna do.

And I will repeat that half of conscripts problems comes form the fact that other infantries have been buffed thru the roof leave them behind.

Buffing conscripts is a much easier solution than nerfing all of the following:

Rifles
Tommies
Penals
Guards
Volks
Grens
Shock Troops
Sturmpioneers
Stormtroopers
Panzerfusiliers
Obersoldaten
Paratroopers
(Etc.)

I'd be fine with a small RA bonus on the SVTs. That way even if a good squad picks them up by accident its not a total nerf.

According to your own numbers:
The SVT is equal to BAR long range although it cost less has no tech cost, does not drop and can be used by any squad. (thanks you for proving Katitof's misleading claims "of less than half" to be false)

DPS at 0 range is not even that important because conscript can handle themselves close range. If you check the steam you will see a SVT conscripts beating a 5 men As. grenadier that has sprinted even thou the conscripts is fighting another squad.

My rounding is off, but SVTs are ALMOST as good as a Bar at 35 range.

BARs are better at everything between 0 - 34.

A couple of unlucky fights against assgrens don't mean anything, look at the stats.

In the end of the you comparison is based in a flaw comparison of 280 unit with a 240 unit, belonging to another faction.

Never did that.
Compared a conscript squad picking up a BAR to a conscript squad picking up a SVT package. The comparison is WAY WORSE if you do it on riflemen.

Now do the same comparison between 3 PPsh and Bar and you will come to same conclusion.
"The entire PPSh packake is worse than a single BAR by a large margin." because it has much less far DPS in this case.
And we all know PPsh is actually a great upgrade.

SVT upgrade: +4.5dps near, +2dps max
PPSH: +18dps near, -2dps max

Yeah no that near damage is brutal. Not even similar. Four times the CQC damage is huge.

If you want to check something you have to check the DPS of conscript squad with SVT and without the SVT and see % of how much better it performs.

In the end of they if in your opinion the SVT upgrade is bad you should agreed that it should be replaced with something more useful.

(Still on a phone, still rounding off. The far distances in particular will be somewhat misrepresented)
Cons vanilla: 21dps 0, 6dps max
SVT cons: 25.5dps 0, 8dps max
PPSH cons: 40dps 0, 4dps max.
Cons with a BAR: 30.5dps 0, 9dps max

The SVT is still hugely unimpressive when you stack it out like that.



I believe the SVT package is marginal and should be a non-doc upgrade locked behind soviet T4. I also believe that the grenades should be one upgrade – or a whole lot cheaper.


But as a commander ability? Its just underwhelming. It needs something more to be worth dropping. More MU cost and SOMETHING more. Body armour? Ability cooldowns? Party hats for the infantry to look cool?