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Thread: HMG Explosive Vulnerability28 Oct 2019, 16:38 PM The nerfs to indirect fire did an excellent job of stopping mortars being an all-powerful bleed and wipe tool. However, they also weakened the mortar against the unit it's meant to counter: the HMG. What do people think of putting an Obersoldaten-esque explosive damage malus on weapon teams (excluding the ATG because of the blast shield) so they're more vulnerable to mortar fire? That'd help the now somewhat off-meta mortar fill its intended role without returning it to its prior undesirable state. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Re-balance Allied TDs penetration values27 Oct 2019, 20:33 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2019, 20:07 PMKatitof Reee-ing from axis players about their heavies being countered by their counters isn't really enough justification for a change - modders know that, hence not much is happening for TDs for their performance - they simply do their job. If the Jackson needs that penetration, then surely so does the Firefly? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Re-balance Allied TDs penetration values27 Oct 2019, 20:29 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2019, 20:27 PMT.R. Stormjäger My vote is on deflection damage. Hopefully more people adopt this stance. Driving up armour would be a very different style of play. Heavies would be utterly brutal from the front, but could be killed by one medium if it gets behind them. It might make a fun mod, but it'd be a drastic change to the live game and I'm not sure it'll see that at this point in its lifetime. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Re-balance Allied TDs penetration values27 Oct 2019, 20:26 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2019, 19:55 PMT.R. Stormjäger Is this the direction we’re headed? Removal of armour entirely and 1990 rts style health bars? Why does armour have to be meaningless, I don’t understand. The penetration system breaks down above medium tanks. It works well below medium tanks because the swing in penetration between tiers is so big: a Stuart's all but impervious to a 222 at range, small arms barely scratch the 222. Armour is actual, proper protection. With mediums up, bad penetration chances are 60%, 70%, that sort of thing. Armour becomes a pretty unreliable defence: your Pershing might bounce for days or it might evaporate in moments. As the vehicle's player you have to plan for the worst case scenario and vice versa for the opponent, so you get vehicles that suck for both sides. Therefore, the balance direction for vehicles over 250 armour continually shifts from armour to health: health is consistent and predictable. The only alternative system I can think of is to drive armour up instead of down: giving heavy tanks like the Tiger and IS-2 about 900 frontal armour but only 720 HP. Tank destroyers would almost certainly need switchable rounds, deflection damage or batshit penetration in that case. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Re-balance Allied TDs penetration values27 Oct 2019, 19:53 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2019, 19:50 PMddd You are asking for standardisation just after they nerfed armor on pershing to 270 for no good reason. Are these threads about discussing real game changes that can be realisticaly applied or just trolling? No, we just don't see balancing the game as a contest between each person's pet faction. You clearly do, else you wouldn't have brought up the completely non-sequitur Pershing that has nothing to do with this discussion. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW Flak Halftrack27 Oct 2019, 19:51 PM It just got +33% suppression and a hefty contextual boost from the buff to the Raketenwerfer, upon which it relies for AT. I think the dust needs a little more time to settle on this unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Re-balance Allied TDs penetration values27 Oct 2019, 19:34 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2019, 19:02 PMddd You fail to see how durable tanks with super high armor and HP on one side force tank destroyers with high penetration and range on other side? Great, you are just like relic who thought giving usf shit tanks and forcing them to use things like p47 loiter to deal with armor was a good idea. Thankfuly we moved on from that genius design philosophy. If the armour on heavy tanks is too high, lower it. Tank destroyer penetration is currently all over the place. If you standardise it to the Firefly, it becomes much easier to tune heavy tank armour values. Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2019, 18:54 PMKatitof Penetration was chosen, because alternative was rate of fire that would diminish meds or damage per shot, which would again put meds on disadvantage as well as make it so panther takes 1 shot less. Pen does absolutely nothing against meds and only a little against panthers, so its mostly and pretty much only useful vs heavies and up. Or do something different with the veterancy entirely. Improve their defence or utility instead. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Re-balance Allied TDs penetration values27 Oct 2019, 18:51 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2019, 17:39 PMddd Standardise nondoctrinal tanks selection too. Give usf something similar to comet, churchill or panther non doc. If you are so smart go all the way. I fail to see what this has to do with the penetration on tank destroyers. If they have have the same penetration, it's easier to balance enemy armour values around it. Personally, I think tying penetration to veterancy is a bad idea in the first place. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The state of Medium Armor27 Oct 2019, 18:44 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Oct 2019, 18:26 PMJibberJabberJobber Easy fix would be to make heavy tanks 11 CP again, instead of 9/10 CP. The AoE/scatter changes have already made heavies good enough to make it worth getting them after the tech lock. I personally don't feel rushing to heavy IWIN tanks adds to the game in a positive way. It's apparently for the benefit of teamgames. In larger modes, CP13 heavies can't contend with the vetted tank destroyers that are around at that timing. If blvckdream's idea of standardising TD penetration to the Firefly was implemented, you could probably move them back to CP13. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The state of Medium Armor27 Oct 2019, 17:16 PM The Sherman doesn't need any buffs. The Cromwell is a bad Sherman. It could do with some sort of AT buff to distinguish it, although I'm not sure what. The T-34/76 could stand to be 100 FU with Sherman penetration. In: COH2 Balance