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Thread: Future Balance Patch Teasers29 Mar 2017, 23:04 PM

Hello, so I found out that the balance team has another patch teased already. I rummaged around Mr.Smith posts and found the source files. Now I need help on seeing what has changed in the source files because I can't wrap my head around the code. Can anyone list what other changes that have not been included in the WBP?

https://github.com/xxpatch/xxpatch/find/master(this is the link to the source files)

Mr.Smith's post to the source files:

https://www.coh2.org/topic/59906/to-all-modders-migrating-mods-to-post-wbp/page/1#post_id600057

In: COH2 Gameplay

Thread: Worst than brace : multiple OKW's flak trucks camping vp27 Mar 2017, 22:42 PM

27 Mar 2017, 21:48 PMMistah_S

Came here to say this, someone beat me to it. +1

Dont forget, flak does not have veteran bonuses... It should IMO

IF you can make the upgrades available to ALL trucks.
IE, if I call a T2/med truck, it should be able to upgrade to a flak emplacement.
This way, it's brought up to speed with the bofors spam

Yes please! +1

NO NO NO. We don't need more microless land lock BS. Bofors must be toned down to Flak HQ levels or even rework the entire unit from the ground up.

In: COH2 Gameplay

Thread: Worst than brace : multiple OKW's flak trucks camping vp27 Mar 2017, 22:40 PM

26 Mar 2017, 16:38 PMMirdarion

With those copious amounts of Falls you see OKW-players use in every match... Kappa

Faction Tier I Tier II /Subtech I Tier III Tier IV /Subtech II Total w/o upgrades Total w/ upgrades

Ostheer 80MP/10F 200MP/40F + 100MP/40F 240MP/60F + 100MP/45F 200MP/50F + 100MP/45F 1020MP/270F (+150MP/60A for medic bunker -> 1170MP/60A/270F

OKW 200MP/25F + 100MP/15F 200MP/50F + 100MP/15F 200MP/120F + 100MP/15F 900MP/240F 1400MP/270F

Soviets 160MP/10F 160MP/20F 240MP/85F 240MP/90F 800MP/205F 1300MP/245F

America 200MP/50F 200MP/60F 240MP/120F 640MP/230F 940MP/270F (+250MP/10F for Amublance -> 1190MP/280F)

Brits 180MP/30F 100MP/15F 280MP/115F 200MP/50F 760MP/210F 1210MP/275F (+30A for med-kits -> 1210MP/30A/275F)

Ah yes. Cheapest unlocks. And quickest too, especially if we completely ignore that some factions have twice the effort of teching due to "researching" a tier or vehicle first. Seriously, your attempts at throwing bollocks around have gotten quite low recently...

Not to be biased towards any faction, but NO USF & OKW players builds all three tiers every single game.(Assuming in 1v1)
USF & OKW can and will skip tiers to rush final tier.(Unless stalling for callins which almost everyone and their pet monkey does)

USF build order in most games:
1. Lieu(200MP+50F) + Major(240MP+120F) + Ambo(250MP+10F) = Total(690MP + 180F)
2. Cpt(200MP+60F) + Major(240MP+120F) + Ambo(250MP+10F) = Total(690MP + 190F)

OKW build order in most games: (Med upgrade is always used for Battlegroup, but repair pioneers are seldom used, for this comparison let's assume pioneer upgrade is purchased)
1. Battlegroupe(200MP+25F) + Medics(100MP+15F) + Flak HQ(200MP+120F) = Total(500MP+160F)
2. Mechanised(200MP+50F) + Repairs(100MP+15F) + Flak HQ(200MP+120F) = Total(500MP+185F)

With skipping tiers USF & OKW gets access to their final tier earlier than other factions, assuming that equal resource income is available.

In: COH2 Gameplay

Thread: Dealing with Command Panthers24 Mar 2017, 11:51 AM

Yo, so I have a lot of trouble dealing with Command Panthers given that they need no tech and come early enough to stop mediums. I'm kinda miffed that even when I manage to dominate the early game OKW can just hold out and just call it in.

By this time 90% of the time I will have a Sherman and Jackson out. Pershing is hard countered by Mark Target so I don't bother with Heavy Cav anymore. Zooks have a hard time penetrating its armor. Jacksons depend on RNG to pen as Sherman need to hug the Panther to have any chance of penning. So what should I do in this situation?

In: US Forces Strategies

Thread: Thank you to the modders <322 Mar 2017, 01:39 AM

Thank you for removing those stupid new maps, I still have PTSD from Bombarded Refinery. Remove Halbe when?

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Thread: The American BAR22 Mar 2017, 01:32 AM

Riflemen and Volk DPS are surprisingly the same when they both engage max range(vet 0 and no upgrades), Riflemen only stomp Volks if they're within hugging distance of each other. So it depends on positioning and micro, when Rifles close in to Volks standing still, dropping just 1 Rifle model is enough to send Rifles packing.

Once 1 BAR for each squad hit the field however, the Rifles combined with vet will drive off STG Volks 1v1 unless Volks manage to hit vet 5 where they're equal to them. Even then two BARs with vet 3 still makes Volks a joke.

For blob counters, well maybe getting 2 MG's as OST is a good start since USF mortar is no longer drone strike HQ. Or git gud with Snipers since that's my main way of dealing with them. Vet 3 doesn't mean anything if Sniper can pick off models one by one.

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: The American BAR21 Mar 2017, 13:56 PM

Also other than Rangers(meta right now) and Paras which comes in a lame doctrine, USF has simply no other choice BUT riflemen. Want to stop Rifle spam, make our doctrinal infantry worthwhile. I have a few suggestions on doing it as well.

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: The American BAR21 Mar 2017, 13:53 PM

The thing is USF the riflemen simply need to scale into the late game given Jacksons and Shermans are too fragile to fight tanks 1v1.

BARs being double equipped are there to fight elite Axis infantry. I always play USF without mortar as I hate using broken units. A solution to this double BAR madness would be give a single upgrade ala CoH1 style and tweak vet accuracy bonus instead so mid game double BAR riflemen don't roflstomp all infantry. That way Rifles can still scale into late while giving chance for Axis to hold until elites come out.

If you guys still want to nerf vet 3 riflemen then give me non-doctrine Rangers instead for late game.

In: COH2 Balance

Thread: How to close game?21 Mar 2017, 02:05 AM

Maybe I should change Crossing for Westwall, the pathfinding for tanks there are absolutely terribad.

In: Replay Reviews

Thread: How to close game?21 Mar 2017, 02:04 AM

Yeah, I should have just throw it on his squads once I saw that they're not dodging, tbh most of my opponents dodged them so that's why I threw them further back.

About the Flak assault, I was thinking about it as well during the match, but seeing as the Cmd Panther is on the field I was afraid it might be pushed off or worse, lose my tanks as well. What would you do if you know that the Panther is on the field and tanks are needed to destroy the Flak HQ?

Seeing as I finished the game with 400-74 VP standing yeah, it was pretty damn long with only 2 VP to hold, lead him to get his late game toys. Once I saw his tank trio, I'm like "Yup, this is it then."

Curious, what maps do you veto as USF? I have La Gleize, Summer Semiosky, Crossing in the Woods, Bombarded Refinery, Road to Kharkov, Minsk Pocket, Halbe. Mostly because I had bad exp with these maps.

Thx for the review.

In: Replay Reviews