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Thread: "Assymetrical" veterancy system 15 May 2016, 09:26 AM Well... idea is simple. Different veterancy systems worked nice in vCoH, it was really cool. One faction pays for veterancy of each type of units and pays a lot, other - getting veterancy from frags, one can decide between offensive or deffensive bouns... Simple question - why not in CoH 2? It would work nice with factions design in CoH 2, I think. And it would hardly support general idea of "assymetrical balance". Thoughts? In: Lobby
Thread: (may preview post first update) okw early game15 May 2016, 08:18 AM But seriously - what wrong was with volksshrecks? They were perfect target for Calliopes and Matresses... What at should I shoot now? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ost Grenadier Squad Size Upgrade15 May 2016, 08:02 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 13:51 PMZyllen I do like to remind you that with the penals buff they are more then likely going to be the new mainline infantry for the SU. Aslo until now the SU has always relied on callins or pphs upgrades. So i dont think this argument is not really a good counter against gren 1 + man upgrade If penals will be real SU mainline - then they should be in T0 and be affected of grenade upgrades. It is argument, cos again - you can't buff one not bad already mainline infantry without buffing another mainline infantry, which is in way worse shape right now. That will be 1 way upgrade, but both vanilla factions mainlines should be fixed, they both have problems. Grens have poor survivability, Cons - poor firepower. If you fix first - fix second then. Otherwise you ruin balance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tiger Tank14 May 2016, 09:15 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 09:11 AMButcher See how Ostheer handles Croc + Firefly and then come back and talk. Neither Panthers nor Tigers nor Paks are able to deal with that. For some reason the Brits are allowed to have a super armor combination yet Ostheer lacks any lategame means to counter that. I guess, what you said here is reason to nerf UKF, not buff Ostheer... Otherwise, we will have to buff all factions to level of UKF, which will make that game impossible to play. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ost Grenadier Squad Size Upgrade14 May 2016, 09:08 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 07:58 AMFalseAlarm Let's bury the "but my poor cons!" argument here, and let it rest in peace. Grens are a source of heavy MP bleed and need a hotfix. The PeePeesh upgrades renders ASSgrens and Pgrens dead so it should be removed from the game. You get the idea. Lol, everyone here like to speak about "assymetrical balance", don't want to have copyfactions... Making "5 men upgrade" is copy of UKF, isn't that problem? I guess it is, cos even UKF doesn't deserve to have such upgrade and you want to make it in Ostheer, which infantry is very nice already. Yes, they can be wiped, so what? Let's make mechanic, which will save your squads with 100% from random wipe just because "it's stupid to lose your squad to 1-shot shell"? Nope, it's fine actually. That's how game works. Lost squad? Bad luck - buy new. I see no reasons to cry here. Argument of "but my poor cons!" is available, because again - it is part of "assymetrical balance". Cons - survivable, but bad in dealing damage. Grens - deal damage nice, but fragile and dying fast. Personally I like second more, cos I don't need units, which only can get damage, I need units which damage deal! If you want to fix a point of grens, which balancing them with all other infantry squads - then fix it for all such squads, Cons really need late game firepower buff! If you want to have as Ostheers mainline survivable infantry - change Grens and Osttrupens positions then. Osttrupens are very survivable with 6 men squads - just what you need! But you know what? We already have faction, which has Osttrupens as mainline - USSR. About PPSHs - Assgrens are really weak and should have lategame scale STG upgrade, I think. And PZgrens are fine against PPSHs, if you keep your grens under control. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Tiger Tank14 May 2016, 08:57 AM Tiger is good heavy tank with everything on medium. Medium power, medium penetration, medium level of armor, medium speed... everything is medium. Just like Panzer 4, but heavy version. Firefly problem core is not in Tiger, it's in Fireflys. Firefly is heavy AT, it suppoused to deal fast with enemy tanks, it costs a lot. It's obvious, that Tiger should lose to Fireflys. It's same strange to whine, that Pershing dying from Panthers, Pershing sux. Pershing is awesome, but of course it will lose to AT. Same with Tiger. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ost Grenadier Squad Size Upgrade14 May 2016, 07:55 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 07:27 AMCrumbum I think this is more sensible than adding a fifth man, ost shouldnt have the numerical advantage and need to rely more on support weapons. Er... I thought that's about USSR Maxims FTW! In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ost Grenadier Squad Size Upgrade14 May 2016, 06:39 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 06:33 AMWilson The problem with this idea is that grenadiers don't only face off against conscripts, they face off against USF and UKF, therefore, they have two other opposite mainline units. The upgrade is not a straight buff either, so it is not like it is a pure damage buff that will radically murder conscripts. This upgrade will cost more manpower on mainline infantry that are already really expensive to reinforce. I don't talk about "NCO buff will make grens more deadly". I said - grenadeers are deadly enough right now, there is no problem with that. But, their power compensated with their fragileness, they actually work like glasscannon units, like M36. You suggest to remove from them their weak side by upgrade because "they underperform in late and die fast". And I agree with that totally! But there is another mainline squad, which is also underperform in late, but not because die fast - because it can't deal enough damage. So, I say you again - I agree with idea of increasing grensquads, but - if we making all mainline infantry squads "without weakpoints", then Conscripts deserve to have firepower upgrades, that's all. If we will only buff grens, make them good, then Cons will be only mainline infantry in game, which is underperforming hard, and grens will perform pretty much like Tommyboys. I don't have anything against your idea, I only ask you to be fair and objective in that. Cons and Grens right now are more or less balanced as mainline infantry. One have power, other - HP. Buff one - buff another for to save it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ost Grenadier Squad Size Upgrade14 May 2016, 06:20 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 06:16 AMWilson Arguably infantry is not the UKF's army core, considering how easy it is to access their emplacements/team weapons (compared to USF anyway). Furthermore, I do agree with you about conscripts deserving some kind of weapon upgrade, however this thread is not about conscripts, this is about grenadiers and how this upgrade would affect other units as they are now. I meant only USF, when said that infantry is their armycore. UKF is ridiculous faction, needs total redesign. This thread is about grens, but you suggest to make "1-side" buff to mainline infantry, which is already pretty balanced with it's opposite units (except UKF again). So I said - if you want to get NCO or any other way of increasing squad of grens and giving them more suriviability - I 100% agree, but only if their opponent mainline squad (Cons) will also get buff in their weak side. Either we fixing weaknesses of all mainlines or we don't touch any, ok? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ost Grenadier Squad Size Upgrade14 May 2016, 06:10 AM Jump back to quoted post14 May 2016, 05:57 AMWilson Believe me, I love grens as they are now, I prefer them to most other infantry. My only problem is when I've kept a Vet 3 Gren squad alive with good micro all game, and in a critical moment, they are insta-killed by a random mortar shell, something that when it happens to my Allied squads, I usually at least have one man leftover. With the amount of artillery that has been added since it was just Ost v. Soviets, four man mainline infantry squads are just not practical. Such as using as mainline infantry for entire game units without real scaling side tech or weapon upgrades is just not practical. All infantry in game have their weak points, except UK and USF (infantry is their armycore, nothing wrong here). Insta-killing by random shells is not a problem - that's just bad luck, deal with it. I don't see anything bad, when I lose my officier or gren squad to mortar. There is not problem to get new squad back and Vet 3 it, cos Ostheer squads dealing good damage - exp goes fast. I have an idea - since USSR's weapons for infantry are doctrinal, maybe NCO should be also doctrinal? In: COH2 Balance