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Is this for 1v1 or team games? The OP thing about this doctrine I notice in 1v1 ain't the Opel Blitz trucks but that strafe ability. 120 munitions for something that gives you full map control for 45 seconds? Wow. The ability is active for 30secs but it always seem to go for 1-3 strafes after it has finished. o.O

i add one more idea : only flamer troop from soviets = penal battalion not engineers
btw i am not so sure about scout car being in T1 it might break the game :/

Flame penals or flame engineers it makes no difference. Ostheer have a way of dealing with flamers/M3 by double faust or faust with gren/mg fire. Ostheer possess no potential counter in t1 to counter a sniper/m3 that does not rely on the Soviet player making a mistake. The range is so large that it forces the Ostheer player onto the backfoot and essentially hide their units, until t2 comes. An extremely well planned ambush faust (hide, listen in fog of war and come out the moment you hear the vehicle come past due to small fuast range) or teller is the only way to counter this. Even if this does occur most the time the snipers quickly get out and retreat away. There is no way hunt them down or get into their retreat path. Why you can't get into their retreat path because if your that deep into their end of the field with your unit against M3 based play as Ostheer, whole squads will be destroyed upon retreat if they find you.

The scout car available for Ostheer in t1 will provide a form to still actively control the game rather being pushed around. If a Soviet player overextended their M3, Ostheer can place a 222 Scout Car behind it, block its reverse effectively trapping it and get a faust off. Altneratively the 222 Scout Car behaves as a deterant and will also create a bit of a repairing game. Similar tactics can also be utilized by the Soviet by utilizing conscript AT nades.

The problem I then see coming is that upgunned 222 Scout Cars might come to quickly and counter the M3/Sniper combo (available upon T2 and high upgrade time required). Either way at the moment it still feels like to me that Russians get Guard Rifles anywhere between 30-60secs after the upgunned SC becomes active on the field which provides a damn quick and instant build counter. Soviets can afford to concede ground during that time, lose a bit of map control and just keep that M3/sniper in alive til Guards move along side of it or get M3/Guards.

'After the fight, an intense balance discussion ensued. Tomatoes and rotten vegetables were hurled across the room! Just kidding. It was all very civilized and will help the team to build a better game.'

Great to hear they are facilitating discussion on what to bring out the best in the game and the balance testers are right there. Speak your mind Tommy!

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I've usually got 4 approachs to countering this. I vary my decision on current map control, fuel/munition count and opportunties which arise.

• Faust - I always incorporate 2 gren squads into every one of my build orders because they are good infantry but also counter the scout car well. The moment I know my opponent has a scout car, I will immediately keep my 2grens and 1-2 mg42s near one another. You do not want to be overextended because otherwise the scout car will go across all your lines and remove your units 1 by 1 and hence you lose all map control. If the Russian player overcommits just simply double faust that scout car and your MG's clean up the rest. It is more a problem if snipers are used doing this, then you just have to hide and go t2 asap.
  
  
• Teller mine - Situational dependant on your map control. If you expect a scout car, put it down in a tight choke and bait that scout car in. You can afford to sometimes get 2 tellers in the early game if you succesfully fight hard for munitions. 1 is enough though, float the rest for fausts in my opinion.
  
  
• Upgunned Scout Car - If I am low on fuel and know I have to settle for t2 (most the time), I'll get an scout car and upgrade it with the autocannon AC upgrade. This is highly risky though because a well microed scout car + guards will win. Make sure you lead out your AC with infantry.
  
  
• Panzer 4 - Go t3 and get a p4 tank. Obviously this will only happen if you retain fuel and have a bit of an early game advantage. If you stall them out well though, this is viable.
  

All in all I find the duel fausts being by far the best option as it lets me deal with them and still maintain map presence. I either set up a ambush by hiding both grens, but sometimes if you catch your opponent in an awkward spot a single faust + gren/mg will do the job. Just make sure your certain you can kill it with small arms fire when doing this, otherwise they repair back up pretty quickly.

Until shrecks get a reduced back to a single shreck to 75 munition. Your best T2 option is the upgunned scout car. Once you kill the scout cars with it just keep it in the safe rear of army or as quick recon unit. It can really shine in finishing off a damaged su76 or t70 tank.