SU-85 does not deserve a nerf for what I see in 1v1.
- Their non rotating turret can be exploited. How does the vehicle rotate to fast? You can easily circle it with any rotating turret German armour including P4, Panther, Ostwind, AC or just out range it with an Elephant.
- If you can't get a flank on it and if its unsupported by conscripts/guards, use mortar smoke or smoke bombs (doctrinal) and charge head on into it, then procede to circle strafe it.
- Shreck it.
- Mess with the SU-85 target priorty. Get it to see an infantry squad, force it to rotate and then move in your P4/Panther from the direction it is no longer facing.
There are so many ways to counter it I don't get it why the majority of people call for a nerf. In 2v2 it may be different story I don't know, but 1v1 it seems like a fair unit. If SU-85 are unsupported from Guards or Conscripts they are so vulnerable. Knock out that support and you have free entry.
Yes, it does have the potential to snipe down infantry squad members and deal well with tanks. However the P4 murders infantry and has the potential to take out a SU85. It is about micro and unit positioning in the end. Break an element of the Soviet combined arms and the SU-85 falls or is forced to back out.
Well microed and positioned Conscripts, Guards, Snipers and SU-85 is a formidable army though. The key I use when facing such an army is to know exactly where the SU-85 is at all times. Listen in the fog of war before sending a tank to that region. Keep 1-2 pioneers following that tank around the map incase there is a quick single AT nade ambush and guide with Grens where possible. You know that SU-85 will be on the way if an AT nade lands. Get your P4's and Ostwinds to do a lot of damage where you know the SU-85 isn't, overextend their infantry where possible and try find the wholes in the support to get to that SU-85. Still can't get that hole to emerge but still have a decent amount of VP's? Preserve that manpower and use a pak43 or howizter to break the lines. Yes its doctrinal but 1 of these are generally in the most useful Ostheer doctrines, but otherwise I pop out a sniper to force the Russian to be aggressive. Snipers will bleed them down fast if your targeting the Guards.