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The entire point of the thread is that Ostheer T3 comes much later than Soviet T3 making "rushing" a PIV to counter the enemy's light vehicles hard because by the time the PIV hit's the field the enemy will already have extremely plentiful counters.
Dude Soviet T3 and OH T3 are NOT the same. How many times do people have to repeat this. And I played a few games with the new patch yesterday, as Soviets and OH. The AA HT is no big deal, One faust and one PAK shot |
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The 80 fuel price tag is Relic's way of saying "we cannot figure out how to buff this unit so we will just make it dirty cheap".
There was a thread of buffing 76s some weeks ago and I agree d with your idea to give better vet. Most ppl didn't mind paying extra for a better tank off the bat but Relic went with this cox its the easiest.
However I dont think 80 fuel is dirt cheap. You can build 5 for the price of 4, only fuel. And its a shitty tank that now comes late |
Does anyone else think that this is way too cheap?
Relic argues that they adjusted it because of the initial tech costs. The problem is that T34 trains will become a nightmare. Its already easy to replace them at 100 fuel. And now you will end up killing hordes and hordes of T34 and your opponent will still be able to get new ones easily. It sounds refreshing to the old call in meta at first, but im sure this will become a big balance. Dont underestimate the T34 en masse. Relic could have left it at 100 fuel or just reduced it to 90 fuel (to make it slightly less spammable compared to 80 fuel)
Voice your opinions and feel free to hate me
Lets not produce stock units and depend on call-ins |
Actually it was whine about useless trip wire flares.
What's next? Molotovs? |
Soviets are flexible enough to get T3 out way before you get T3. You also have to consider that the tanks are way more expensive in T3 than soviet T3. SU-76 hard counters Ostwind + Pz4. Stug hard counters SU-76. But 2x SU-76 (which is not strange to see at that point) beats the hell out of Stug-III's.
But won't building lot of SU 76s affect the longer game?. I am not denying what you have said. You know more about the problems than me, who has not played the mod. |
There are very significant differences between the M15 and the Quad M5. If there weren't any, this topic wouldn't have existed because like you said, you could have countered it the same way we have been doing for the past year.
One of the differences is that the M5 quad can deal with 222s and supress infantry excellently while one the move. It can also reinforce which is a huge advantage that you can't just ignore.
But more importantly than all this, is the fact that the Americans are a completely different faction than the Soviets. Let me explain. First, lets look at the Americans. You can turtle defend just fine against the M15 with PAK40s. The reason why this is pretty balanced and has not been a major problem for the last year is not about the M15, but about the possible follow-ups. The Americans can not follow up with both good AT and good indirect fire options. If they followed up with Shermans, the Pak40s could hold the line, if they followed up with a Scott to deal with the Pak40s, they were left vulnerable to P4s because they had no AT. The winner is decided by good risk-assessment and tactics.
Now look at the Soviets, what do they have as a follow up? Good indirect fire and plenty of AT. They don't have the weakness of the Americans that can be exploited. They can follow up with an AT gun and SU76s to remove and shock value of the P4 while at the same time providing the soviets with the required indirect fire to deal with the Pak40 wall.
In 2v2s with 2x sovs vs 2x Ost, the soviets can both get out a M5 quads at the 7 minute mark, dominate the map, and follow up with a either mix of T3 and T4 units (one goes SU76 spam, the other goes T4 for katy and SU85), or just SU76s, supported with 1 or 2 AT guns and from there on out it's a very quick loss for the Ostheer. Once they have their double P4s out (both have to go T3 as T4 is so expensive it is out of the question) there is enough Soviet AT out on the field to remove the shock value these units would have had when playing against the Americans.
That if the difference between the Quad M5 and the M15.
I have not played the mod. I usually wait until things go live. But I have great respect for you and Comm Ash, so I guess there might be a problem. But don't you think that Germans can stop early infantry advances with MGs, thus delaying Soviet teching, enough to get T3 units out? |
I don't know why you would ever want to get more than one KT, but pretty much every faction got a lot of help which is the entire point. I think Relic has finally admitted basing OKW and USF around gimmicks has gotten old.
Can't wait for the new commanders.
I think the only well thoughtout faction is OH. Brits arent that bad too |
Just pointing it out that Volk's blobs won't work versus Soviets any longer.
I thought we were all anti blobbers here? Now Soviets/OH cant get more than one call in heavy tank and Soviet mediums are connected to teching. There is a lot of new challenges to everyone. But i think OKW got a better deal with the patch |
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