clearly you havent had the only AT in your defensive line (i.e. pak) decimated by 2 or 3 su76s doing a shoot n scoot with that barrage at 60 range while youre desperately trying to save fuel for that first StuG
So s/he has 3 SU 76s while you have no proper counter. This means you are at a severe fuel disadvantage. Maybe the other player is better than you |
Except that's not how that works, units don't work in a vacuum. Guards can preform light AT while offering help versus medium armor while doing less but still significant AI damage. For the price you pay for them you can get a lot of use out of them. Obers don't have a point to them outside of just shooting enemy infantry and the only utility they offer is in booby trap point.
Obers are simply inefficient for what you pay for, just a simple reinforcement time/cost reduction like Sturms got would be enough.
I was comparing them as AI units, Guards are more better all around infantry and now almost a must for Soviet play. Imagine if terror tactics had Guards, that DLC would have been the new meta.
Maybe reduce MP cost of Obers, but you have better options as OKW. Units change as meta changes, a few months ago it was all shocks, IS 2s now its guards, quads and ML 20. Things change |
No, I never implied that.
Sorry, I haven't read your comment properly, was using the mobile. See, you would use Obers as anti infantry, you would use Volks with shrecks to deal with tanks, and they are much better than PTRS guards.
So you can only compare Obers vs Guards in the AI department. |
PTRS's do pretty high alpha damage (not as much as before but against 4 man squads it's pretty nasty) and the 2 DP's together do 13 DPS (only 1 less than the 1 LMG34 carried by Obers). So the statement that they are only marginally better in the AI category is true, they have much less utility and bleed much harder.
EDIT: Guards are better for the anti-light vehicle support they provide alone, which highlights the fact that Obers just don't have any utility.
let me get this clear, you are saying that guards with Dps will beat Obers with LMGs? |
The reinforcement cost of Obersoldaten is what really makes them unattractive. Considering they are only marginally better than DP guards, they are not paying off.
Marginally better than Guards with DPs? Really now |
move along how? right now axis still currently hog and hoard all of the best AT, armor and infantry in-game not mention they dont have to worry about RNG as much as USF does
USF is in a shitty place, yes. But the balance overall is good, the best so far. |
I'll break it down for you because you seem lost.
INFANTRY
Best basic-Riflemen and Grens are tied.
Best nondoc shock-Penals
Best nondoc elite-Obers
Best doctrinal elite-Guards/shocks own
Best doctrinal basic-Ostruppen
Best doctrinal recon-JLI
Best AT infantry-Volks
Best AI infantry-Paras
Best utility infantry-Guards
Best spam infantry-Pfusies
best engineer...um idk.
SUPPORT WEAPONS
-MG42/Maxim tied
-Snipers tied
-German mortar owns
-Pak owns
VEHICLES
Best light transport-M3A1
Best scout car-222
Best halftrack-QUAD
Best light tank-T70
Best SU-76M-SU-76M
TANKS
Best low end non doc medium-Sherman
Best high end non doc medium-OKW P4
Best doctrinal medium-T34/85
Best nondoc heavy-lol
Best doctrinal heavy-IS2
Best WTF unit-Sturmtiger
TANK DESTROYERS
Best nondoc light TD-Stug
Best nondoc heavy TD-JP4
Best doctrinal light TD-Wolverine
Best doctrinal heavy TD-Elefant man
ARTILLERY
Best MLRS-Katuysha
Best heavy arty-ML20
TECHING
Flexibility to cheapness>
Ost, USF, Sovs, OKW
I stopped at 'Best basic-Riflemen and Grens are tied.'
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Recently been playing with the soviets and tried the m5 aswell, it amazes me how i can just finish games in under 15 minutes.
how long would it have taken you to beat them without the M5? |
Are you the second account of pussyking? That would explain the amount of bullshit you post. You are verry close to reach his leader position in this matter because your posts have all the needed features:
1. they prove you don't play the game much;
2. they prove that the verry small amount of games played are exclusively with one faction/side;
3. the amount of bias is huge.
Seriously, since when you have this game? I'm asking because I was at your bias level when I started playing it and it took some while to understand that the only way to write sensible things and understand what other people write is to play all factions eather you like it or not.
I think he is talking about USF only. And USF is the weakest/least fun faction to play now. I think the other three factions are quite fun again, even OKW. But USF does have serious issues |
Thread: USF OP3 Aug 2015, 17:58 PM
I dont believe this would be enough.
yeah, I know but i am an Allied fan boy. dont tell anyone |