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Sherman firefly tweak

15 Oct 2019, 22:01 PM
#21
avatar of distrofio

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jump backJump back to quoted post15 Oct 2019, 16:02 PMrqd

You think firefly is fine then? Without tulips firefly imo is worse than cheaper su-85 in terms of dps, speed and acceleraion.

No tank in the game uses can be compared by DPS because no player leaves them idle in a tank fight. They all either move and kite or find a flank to kill. You could use reload time OR hit dmg. DPS is BS.
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16 Oct 2019, 02:09 AM
#22
avatar of rqd

Posts: 65



does the su 85 have :

rotating turrets

tulips

tank commander

160 frontal armor

200 damage

access to war speed

???


Su-85 has focused sight, better speed & acceleration, shorter reload time and smaller target size.

Firefly turret rotation rate is bad, worse than spearhead KT(wtf) and still suffers from flanking.

I will assume that the extra price of firefly is for getting access to tank commander and tulip upgrade, still you need to pay muni for them.
16 Oct 2019, 04:35 AM
#23
avatar of distrofio

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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 02:09 AMrqd

I will assume that the extra price of firefly is for getting access to tank commander and tulip upgrade, still you need to pay muni for them.

You pay the extra price because its UKF. Simple as that.
16 Oct 2019, 12:07 PM
#24
avatar of Freestyler1992

Posts: 88



???

Firefly far pen 210

KT armour 375
Tiger 300
OKW P4 238
Panther 260 and 286 at vet 2
JT/Ele 400/450
Brummbär 240 and 288 after vet 2
etc


Notice lol in my comment...
16 Oct 2019, 13:11 PM
#25
avatar of blvckdream

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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Oct 2019, 02:09 AMrqd


Su-85 has focused sight, better speed & acceleration, shorter reload time and smaller target size.

Firefly turret rotation rate is bad, worse than spearhead KT(wtf) and still suffers from flanking.

I will assume that the extra price of firefly is for getting access to tank commander and tulip upgrade, still you need to pay muni for them.


What you forget is that SU85 also has better penetration which is weird because the Firefly should have the better gun considering price and mobility.
16 Oct 2019, 13:35 PM
#26
avatar of SkysTheLimit

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What you forget is that SU85 also has better penetration which is weird because the Firefly should have the better gun considering price and mobility.


I get the price point, but what do you mean about mobility? Su85 and firefly are both pretty slow, but FF at least has turret

It also has more damage per shot and that improves with vet, so its gun is better in some sense anyway
16 Oct 2019, 13:43 PM
#27
avatar of blvckdream

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I get the price point, but what do you mean about mobility? Su85 and firefly are both pretty slow, but FF at least has turret

It also has more damage per shot and that improves with vet, so its gun is better in some sense anyway


More damage per shot but less damage overall due to super bad reload. SU 85 (5.7/2.1 and 6.8/2.5 with vet) is also faster than FF (5.3/1.6 and 1.8 with vet). Again FF receives no significant speed buff with vet, same as penetration. I wonder why?

And saying SU85 is slow is wrong, it has more top speed than Jackson at vet 3. Jackson is much faster without vet but gets no vet speed bonus so the SU85 ends up faster in the end.
16 Oct 2019, 15:15 PM
#28
avatar of Freestyler1992

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More damage per shot but less damage overall due to super bad reload. SU 85 (5.7/2.1 and 6.8/2.5 with vet) is also faster than FF (5.3/1.6 and 1.8 with vet). Again FF receives no significant speed buff with vet, same as penetration. I wonder why?

And saying SU85 is slow is wrong, it has more top speed than Jackson at vet 3. Jackson is much faster without vet but gets no vet speed bonus so the SU85 ends up faster in the end.


Hm sounds like a Panther problem, but that is regarded as okay and by me too. So no problem.
16 Oct 2019, 15:20 PM
#29
avatar of SkysTheLimit

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More damage per shot but less damage overall due to super bad reload. SU 85 (5.7/2.1 and 6.8/2.5 with vet) is also faster than FF (5.3/1.6 and 1.8 with vet). Again FF receives no significant speed buff with vet, same as penetration. I wonder why?


On penetration I do not have an answer for either, but the turret still factors into mobility. Positioning a firefly to shoot is much easier than an su85. The FF does get turret rotation with vet


And saying SU85 is slow is wrong, it has more top speed than Jackson at vet 3. Jackson is much faster without vet but gets no vet speed bonus so the SU85 ends up faster in the end.


Okay but same as above, Jackson has a turret so its speed is more usable
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