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10 Feb 2019, 07:55 AM
#181
avatar of Widerstreit

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@thedarkarmadillo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSfA1DmYwGQ
Found the game from gcs2 where the tiger was used vs the pershing.
The problem lies in the power of the doctrines which they are in.

Nvm,this is a different game, but at least shows off the power of the tiger in this doc.



Now look at min 30, at that moment Hans had nothing left. If the US pushed only a little bit, game would be over.

The Tigers git nearly killed several times by bazookas. With +5 range Tiger wouldn have enought range at Vet2 to make more damage than getting it.
10 Feb 2019, 08:02 AM
#182
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Bad pen? It has 250/230/210 which is even higher than the King Tiger.


Yes, still it bounces on Jagdtiger etc. frontal. They are long range and shouldn't counter a IS2 if it can shouldn't back.

IS2 is a slow and inaccurate heavy. It was build to counter heavys.

In a stationary 1vs1 IS2 would still lose versus a Kind, would clear win versus Tiger 1 and Pershing now.

But Tiger 1 should have range advantage.

Pershing a speed advantage.
10 Feb 2019, 10:00 AM
#183
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Bad pen? It has 250/230/210 which is even higher than the King Tiger.


*cough*


And inb4 some smartass comes here saying "but IS-2 haz moar pen", yeah, and all axis tanks have on average more armor, panther and tiger being the only 2 exceptions, so that pen isn't relevant as much as RoF and range are.
10 Feb 2019, 12:38 PM
#184
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And IS2 should be the cherry on the top of an soviet army, being able to fight Panther, Tiger H Aufs. II, Elefant and Jagdtiger. And so it shouldn't bounce.

A change to 1000 pen wouldn't kill the balance, but the IS2 would get an advantage to fight a King-Tiger and would allow the IS2 make some damage frontal versus heavy tank-hunters. If you manage it to come close enought with the IS2, then it should also work as spear-head.

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And Ostheer needs something to hold against tank-hunters in larger multiplay games. Something that isn't OP in single-player or 1vs1 too. And Tiger is in the right spot, if you increase its range a little bit. That is because all Ostheer's commanders stay in a good spot for that change, because they lack in PaK43, scope and Elefant. There are even Tiger commandes without tactical-smoke. And a Tiger without smoke has no chance to escape any realistic fight.
10 Feb 2019, 15:50 PM
#185
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And IS2 should be the cherry on the top of an soviet army, being able to fight Panther, Tiger H Aufs. II, Elefant and Jagdtiger. And so it shouldn't bounce.

A change to 1000 pen wouldn't kill the balance, but the IS2 would get an advantage to fight a King-Tiger and would allow the IS2 make some damage frontal versus heavy tank-hunters. If you manage it to come close enought with the IS2, then it should also work as spear-head.

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And Ostheer needs something to hold against tank-hunters in larger multiplay games. Something that isn't OP in single-player or 1vs1 too. And Tiger is in the right spot, if you increase its range a little bit. That is because all Ostheer's commanders stay in a good spot for that change, because they lack in PaK43, scope and Elefant. There are even Tiger commandes without tactical-smoke. And a Tiger without smoke has no chance to escape any realistic fight.

Making a unit with guaranteed pen is pretty silly though. It goes against the entire mechanic of armor and the IS2 should probably just be buffed some other way. Increased pen would be fine, but not guaranteed against all targets.

Ost has elefant if you really want to counter TD spam in team games. Pak43 works too.
10 Feb 2019, 16:25 PM
#186
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Now look at min 30, at that moment Hans had nothing left. If the US pushed only a little bit, game would be over.

The Tigers git nearly killed several times by bazookas. With +5 range Tiger wouldn have enought range at Vet2 to make more damage than getting it.


It was actually a close game until the pack howitzer killed the vet 3 sniper. When hans tried to push, devm called in ju-87s. One of his ju 87 passes left the pershing with less than 100 hp left.
15 Feb 2019, 23:27 PM
#187
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Both tiger are almost perfect, specially in 1vs1 (which, unfortunately, is the least played mode). Firefly and SU85 need a rework.
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