222 spam
2 Mar 2016, 06:07 AM
#1
Posts: 395
How do I deal with 222 spam? At 15 fuel a pop it's quite possible for 3 of these things to come out very fast, long before stuart or AEC. Small arms doesn't do much to them. By the time stuart comes out, there's enough to simply kill it outright. AEC seems to just barely come in time that if you might have a chance.
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Still missing the days of vCoH 1.71. It had it's issues, like paks sniping 57s, and the strafe didn't work, but overall, it was probably the most balanced time in CoH history.
OF ruined that. CoH 2 is....balanced in a nasty way. Everyone has an equal stockpile of gamebreaking bullshit. USA is full of early game BS while the OKW doesn't get its BS until late game. It's just a question of how badly you exploit the faction's shit and how quickly, after a patch, you discover the gaping holes of bullshit Relic leaves. But either way, it's all BS. The only "BS" in vCoH that was gamechanging was the fast m8 vs a bunker.
2 Mar 2016, 06:20 AM
#2
Posts: 656
The pricing on the 222 is pretty generous atm and might need to be adjusted upward a bit. Alternatively the auto-cannon could be made a muni upgrade again. That way the 222 would function similar to a m20 when first built but could then be upgraded for improved AT.
2 Mar 2016, 07:16 AM
#3
Posts: 174
Guards or Tank Hunters as Soviet and UKF. Tech Zooks as USF.
2 Mar 2016, 09:19 AM
#4
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It is still a shit car, comparing to the PE one.
2 Mar 2016, 09:20 AM
#5
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Guards or Tank Hunters as Soviet and UKF. Tech Zooks as USF.
Just dont forget to put double zooks on the rear Echelon and not riflemen. Double zooks reks 222 so hard
2 Mar 2016, 09:24 AM
#6
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It is still a shit car, comparing to the PE one.
Because relic tries to make it into some cheap ass light tank for poor people instead of giving is specific AI or AT role.
It does both, which means it sucks in both, PE 222 couldn't scratch armor on anything bigger then jeep, but ripped infantry apart. Survivality solution was also superior with HP vet scaling regardless of vet you picked.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
2 Mar 2016, 09:43 AM
#7
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Because relic tries to make it into some cheap ass light tank for poor people instead of giving is specific AI or AT role.
It does both, which means it sucks in both, PE 222 couldn't scratch armor on anything bigger then jeep, but ripped infantry apart. Survivality solution was also superior with HP vet scaling regardless of vet you picked.
If a 20mm autocannon cannot tear a man apart, I dunno what the hell is wrong with the weapon.
Offensive vetted 222 can rape Greyhound.
2 Mar 2016, 10:31 AM
#8
Posts: 707
How do I deal with 222 spam? At 15 fuel a pop it's quite possible for 3 of these things to come out very fast, long before stuart or AEC. Small arms doesn't do much to them. By the time stuart comes out, there's enough to simply kill it outright. AEC seems to just barely come in time that if you might have a chance.
Is bazooka/ATG/Mine too difficult?
It is an absolutely piece of shit that can't kill anyone 5m in front of the cannon.
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2 Mar 2016, 10:52 AM
#9
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mine spam
2 Mar 2016, 10:54 AM
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Alternatively the auto-cannon could be made a muni upgrade again.That would be the best solution IMO.
The lmg needs a massive accuracy buff though.
2 Mar 2016, 11:51 AM
#11
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zooks, guards, AT guns, mines, AA HT, UKF tank hunters
2 Mar 2016, 11:59 AM
#12
Posts: 2561
They are too cheap at the moment. No risk at all, even if your opponent does counter them tech is barely delayed.
2 Mar 2016, 12:26 PM
#13
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I'm just going to leave this here
2 Mar 2016, 12:29 PM
#14
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I'm just going to leave this here
1.6k manpower and 120 fuel rapes single tanks OMGOMGOMG
2 Mar 2016, 12:54 PM
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the emplacements delays tanks. Oh sry wrong thread. i mean more than one 222 delays tanks and teching.
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2 Mar 2016, 12:55 PM
#16
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Here is my solution:
Autocannon up to Luchs one
Maybe buff armor to M8 one
Maybe revert hp buff
Up price to 45 fuel
...
Profit. Now wehrmacht have nice light vechicle.
Autocannon up to Luchs one
Maybe buff armor to M8 one
Maybe revert hp buff
Up price to 45 fuel
...
Profit. Now wehrmacht have nice light vechicle.
2 Mar 2016, 12:59 PM
#17
Posts: 640
Here is my solution:
Autocannon up to Luchs one
Maybe buff armor to M8 one
Maybe revert hp buff
Up price to 45 fuel
...
Profit. Now wehrmacht have nice light vechicle.
45 fuel for a Luchs level autocannon would be way too strong. The 222's original problem was that it was weak as paper, now it's not. Now it's stronger and very spammable, that's a problem. But at least Wehrmacht now has more fighting options against USF/UKF light vehicles. I think the USF can handle the 222(s) with either snare + AAHT or even M20 mine + the F R E E B A Z O O K A. Or with the captain + stuart of course.
Brits will have problems with 222 spam though, since AECs are relatively expensive and brits don't have snares. And PIATs generally suck.
2 Mar 2016, 13:01 PM
#18
Posts: 2561
Here is my solution:Whermacht doesn't need another ai light vehicle. They already have the flame halftrack.
Autocannon up to Luchs one
Maybe buff armor to M8 one
Maybe revert hp buff
Up price to 45 fuel
...
Profit. Now wehrmacht have nice light vechicle.
2 Mar 2016, 13:02 PM
#19
Posts: 1653
Big investment in mp, but cheap in fuel. Makes tanks crumble away like nothing = not good
2 Mar 2016, 13:03 PM
#20
Posts: 1653
Whermacht doesn't need another ai light vehicle. They already have the flame halftrack.
+1, Flame Halftrack does an insane amount of damage to infantry, therefore the 222 shouldn't wreck every infantry unit like it's hitting someone with a baseball bat
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