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Dushkas Overperforming

23 Jan 2016, 17:50 PM
#21
avatar of Iron Emperor

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Dshka is fine. Please move on
23 Jan 2016, 18:07 PM
#22
avatar of ElSlayer

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Waiting for "M-42 overperforming" thread...
aaa
23 Jan 2016, 18:14 PM
#23
avatar of aaa

Posts: 1486

this community ... no normal words. enginers rifles arent op already?
23 Jan 2016, 18:22 PM
#24
avatar of Hiflex

Posts: 43

jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jan 2016, 12:36 PMKatitof

Yes.
Because defensive doctrine is meta and I clearly meant lend lease by non meta

Uhm, you wrote "2 non meta doctrines, one is terrible." So yeah...w/e dude, w/e...
23 Jan 2016, 18:50 PM
#25
avatar of MATRAKA14

Posts: 118

Lol Dushkas over performing, sure man. even if they were any good an hmg at cp2 has no role, maxims are useful if they rush in to buildings or come early enough to stop the enemy, late hmgs are not worth it.

What if we try to fix the soviets? the most "balanced" army its also the worst performing and the one that has more useless doctrines and units...
23 Jan 2016, 18:59 PM
#26
avatar of Frost

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Waiting for "M-42 overperforming" thread...


jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jan 2016, 18:14 PMaaa
this community ... no normal words. enginers rifles arent op already?


Are you dumb guys? Seems, you aren't playing 1v1 and didn't see this unit in action. Insta pin like old hmg's did, not even time for react. It wouldn't be op if dshk was in defend doctrine but not in Land Lease which is the part of meta (Hans is top player who use it 0.9 of time.)
23 Jan 2016, 19:08 PM
#27
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Only thing I would do would be to tone down its suppression. It's strong enough to pin units after the first burst and makes heavy cover not ideal against it as it's high enough to force the unit to ground.
23 Jan 2016, 20:56 PM
#28
avatar of Imagelessbean

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Because of its high cost, limited cone of fire, and late arrival (2cp) the suppression is acceptable.

DSHK is a hard counter to infantry, with some lite AT possible. If you see it you have two options as OKW: 1) Use ISG to pick it off at distance or 2) use stuka to wipe it.

It is also still very vulnerable to getting killed on retreat. Try using Falls out of buildings nearby to steal one. Once you have it you will find your Volks nearly unstoppable.

Does not need a change, respectable MG that does good work especially on Axis blobs.
23 Jan 2016, 21:00 PM
#29
avatar of SpaceHamster
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Posts: 474

Dushka is fine, especially if you take into account it suffers from the same death loop that gets the maxim killed most of the time.

If it came in a commander with shocks or guards I'd be worried but since its only lend lease(only brave heroes go defensive doctrine). There's not a whole reason to care since that commander doesn't have much utility outside of the M4C Sherman.
23 Jan 2016, 21:07 PM
#30
avatar of poop

Posts: 174

How is is over performing compared to the cheaper, earlier, 180-degree cone, insta suppression, Jesus-bullet shooting MG42?

Which is also comes standard in every grenadier's trousers.
23 Jan 2016, 23:06 PM
#31
avatar of Australian Magic

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Dont forget about going in circle before it sets down.
23 Jan 2016, 23:19 PM
#32
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jump backJump back to quoted post23 Jan 2016, 21:07 PMpoop
How is is over performing compared to the cheaper, earlier, 180-degree cone, insta suppression, Jesus-bullet shooting MG42?

Which is also comes standard in every grenadier's trousers.


Don't feed the troll
24 Jan 2016, 00:27 AM
#33
avatar of DAZ187

Posts: 465

1. Suppression radius is way smaller than normal mgs. can be flanked
2. Retreat bug is a huge downfall for it when retreating.
3. Comes out at 2 cp
4. most expensive MG in game

Cry More
28 May 2017, 13:00 PM
#34
avatar of Thunderhun

Posts: 1617

This thread is pure gold.

Seeing how ppl defended the dushka a year earlier. MVGame
28 May 2017, 13:58 PM
#35
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Posts: 2885

This thread is pure gold.

Seeing how ppl defended the dushka a year earlier. MVGame


All of these made sense before maxim and guard nerfs. Why would you lock yourself in DShK doctrine when you can just roll out maxims and use your doctrine pick for guards and some real late game tanks, not m4c.
28 May 2017, 14:16 PM
#36
avatar of blvckdream

Posts: 2458 | Subs: 1

No it doesnt make sense. Dshk and Penals (without flamers) were a non-issue before the recent balance patches. Suddenly they are OP monsters that need to be nerfed. It makes no sense.
28 May 2017, 14:33 PM
#37
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Posts: 1225

They were op all along, it is just that the meta heroes had not yet discovered their utility.
28 May 2017, 21:44 PM
#38
avatar of Hater

Posts: 493

Maybe it's not DShK OP but every other unit UP? Nah, what a bullpudding, keep nerfing soviets.
29 May 2017, 09:01 AM
#39
avatar of Grim

Posts: 1093

No it doesnt make sense. Dshk and Penals (without flamers) were a non-issue before the recent balance patches. Suddenly they are OP monsters that need to be nerfed. It makes no sense.


I think some people just like to have a 'witch hunt'.
30 May 2017, 13:40 PM
#40
avatar of RiCE

Posts: 284

I don't know how DSHK was before the latest patch, but right now they almost instapin infantry.
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