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Conscript Tank Hunters PTRS's

20 Dec 2015, 15:42 PM
#1
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Does anyone know how effective these are compared to Gaurds PRTS's or are they both the same?
20 Dec 2015, 15:47 PM
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conscipt_ptrs_41_mp 2.69 2.44 2.199 1.51 0.84
guard_troop_ptrs_41_mp 3.87 3.55 3.22 2.32 1.42
20 Dec 2015, 15:50 PM
#3
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2015, 15:47 PMVipper
conscipt_ptrs_41_mp 2.69 2.44 2.199 1.516117851 0.84
guard_troop_ptrs_41_mp 3.87 3.55 3.22 2.32 1.42


Thanks, that will be all then.
21 Dec 2015, 08:55 AM
#4
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Just to clarify this DPS is calculate with 27 damage the damage against infantry and the ranges are 0, 10 ,20 ,30.
21 Dec 2015, 22:35 PM
#5
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I feel like this upgrade was a little bit over nerfed, it should and more anti inf instead of down grading it. maybe the way it was dmg wise with this same accuracy would be fine cuz it hardly hits.. its a gd sniper any man is going down with that round.
21 Dec 2015, 23:06 PM
#6
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One thing that could be changed with thease is reduce to their CP cost to 2 or even 0. I don't get it why AT-partisans and guards come in 2 CPs but to get access to con ptrs you need 3CPs. You can't really get thease in time in some games.
28 Dec 2015, 13:34 PM
#7
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jump backJump back to quoted post20 Dec 2015, 15:47 PMVipper
conscipt_ptrs_41_mp 2.69 2.44 2.199 1.51 0.84
guard_troop_ptrs_41_mp 3.87 3.55 3.22 2.32 1.42

Conscripts get worse PTRS? Anybody knows why?
28 Dec 2015, 13:40 PM
#8
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Conscripts get worse PTRS? Anybody knows why?


Because if you massed them, it was actually effective AI weapon.

I still remember these vids where people tried to show how OP PTRS was when 5-10 squads on vet3 annihilated vet0 obers or HMG42 in the open.

Con PTRS also can not drop.

I'd rather have them droppable, more expensive but actually accurate, but we have what we have.

Just stick to guards and forget tank hunters ever existed.
PPSh at vet3 are also beasts(exclusively because con vet3 rec acc vet, before that they are still steaming pile of poo).
28 Dec 2015, 14:10 PM
#9
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I still remember these vids where people tried to show how OP PTRS was when 5-10 squads on vet3 annihilated vet0 obers or HMG42 in the open.


Holy duck, >5 consqripts won against one non vet obers squad? How op...

Con PTRS also can not drop.


Unfortunately, but PTRS can drop.
28 Dec 2015, 14:12 PM
#10
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Unfortunately, but PTRS can drop.


Well, con ones aren't supposed to, guards ones should.
28 Dec 2015, 14:39 PM
#11
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Conscripts get worse PTRS? Anybody knows why?

The same reason PPsh are worse than the one Shock have maybe? To balance the cost difference of units.

jump backJump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 14:10 PMFrost

Unfortunately, but PTRS can drop.

Con Ptrs do not drop as far as I know so Katitof was right in his first post.
jump backJump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 14:12 PMKatitof

Well, con ones aren't supposed to, guards ones should.

There is no rule saying the conscript's Ptrs should not drop but Guard's should...
28 Dec 2015, 14:50 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 14:39 PMVipper

The same reason PPsh are worse than the one Shock have maybe? To balance the cost difference of units.


Con Ptrs do not drop as far as I know so Katitof was right in his first post.

The rule saying the conscripts Ptrs should not drop but Guards should...


There is no cost difference, guards have no armour so you can just merge cons into them. So with some micro the reinforcement cost is the same and it is the cost that actually matters. Upkeep and initial cost are not enough of a difference to make weapon so much worse. In case of shocks you cant do this as they will loose the armour.
28 Dec 2015, 14:56 PM
#13
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 14:39 PMVipper

There is no rule saying the conscript's Ptrs should not drop but Guard's should...


Except the very patch note stating it this way you mean?
The very same patch that made con PTRS worse then guard PTRS.

Official forums are down and I don't remember any patch note general thread in here, so you'd have to dig it up yourself as I'm not going to.

jump backJump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 14:39 PMVipper

The same reason PPsh are worse than the one Shock have maybe? To balance the cost difference of units.


How could this be achieved... oh I know! By not giving cons 1.5 armor and 6 ppsh!

The upgrade is even considered right now exclusively because of vet3 durability boost, vet2 or less, ppsh is still downgrade vs axis long range oriented weapon prifles as well as base con rec acc modifier.
28 Dec 2015, 15:08 PM
#14
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I feel that cons dies much faster than gaurds , merging cons with gaurds is not a good idea
One patch made PPSH good at medium range, so its only downgrade the far range , I think ppsh cons are good vs okw, becuase okw deny fighting behind cover from far range via volks op molotov grande
28 Dec 2015, 15:16 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post21 Dec 2015, 23:06 PMassbag
One thing that could be changed with thease is reduce to their CP cost to 2 or even 0.

This is no worse moment in this doctrine. One day, I was playing OKW, I met a guy with Tank Hunters.
So, I had OKW Pz.IV and he have 2-3 cons squad. He tried to use doctrine grenades. Half of them are not able to hit my tank, the second failed to pierce armor.:snfPeter:
28 Dec 2015, 15:19 PM
#16
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Tank hunter is good only at one thing.
Salvaing tons of your useless T34/76 :snfPeter:

But honestly... This doctrine had huge potential... Just buff AT bombs so they are in fact AT, not AI and give it SU-100 call in in exchange for thos useless nades.
28 Dec 2015, 15:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 14:56 PMKatitof

How could this be achieved... oh I know!By not giving cons 1.5 armor and 6 ppsh!

The same way G43 for Pg and ST are better then the ones for Grenadiers. Stop trying present something as balance issue when there is not one.

Guards PTRS difference with Mosin, is very similar to Conscript difference with their own mosin..

And seriously are you arguing that cons Ppsh should be as good as shock one's?

jump backJump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 14:56 PMKatitof

ppsh is still downgrade...


PPsh for conscripts is one of the most cost efficient upgrade in the game. People even chose commanders because they have it...stop trying to present a good commander ability as bad.
28 Dec 2015, 15:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Dec 2015, 14:56 PMKatitof

Except the very patch note stating it this way you mean?
The very same patch that made con PTRS worse then guard PTRS.
Official forums are down and I don't remember any patch note general thread in here, so you'd have to dig it up yourself as I'm not going to.

Is this another way of saying I am typing B.S. but you have to do all the work to prove (and even if you do I while just shrug my shoulders and continue)?
Unless you find these patch notes, it did not happen.
And since you seem to have some trouble find patch notes here is some help:
http://www.coh2.org/topic/4307/company-of-heroes-2-changelog/page/2
28 Dec 2015, 16:26 PM
#19
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I'm sure that cons can't lose their ptrs when they got down to one man or they got wiped. I have played them a lot so I know how they work.
28 Dec 2015, 18:06 PM
#20
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My ideas:

Mirror Conscript PTRS with Guards. Maybe increase price to 50 muni

Replace the small AT nades ability with a 5 CP HEAT ammo ability for tanks (same one as in OKW Elite Armor).
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